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| Nov. 23, 2006 - Questions on grinding wheat and baking bread |
We just got a Nutrimill for grinding our own grains, as they are more healthful and nutritious this way. We also got a Zojirushi bread machine so we can start making our own bread. I used the recipe from the Breadbecker's site (Ashley's variation):
http://www.breadbeckers.com/recipes/zojirushi_bread.htm
I did have a little confusion on one point. The recipe states to add the ingredients in order, and generally you put the liquids in first, but the egg was the last thing on the recipe. I went ahead and mixed it in with the liquids, breaking the yolk so it would mix better. This is the loaf we ended up with. It fell just a little, but it was still very tasty.
I decided to make a second loaf to bring today as I had told my mother-in-law I would bring some for her to try. We read the back of the breadmaker instructions and tips and decided to try to add 1 tbsp flour to see if that would help it to not fall. However, this is what we ended up with.
My mother-in-law (and I love her dearly) said to bring it anyway as it will still be tasty, just a little dense. I am embarrassed to bring it though! I also have some other questions related to grinding your own wheat and/or making bread. I didn't want to waste board space, so I am putting this in my blog instead.
1. What do you use the various types of wheat for in your own home? We have hard red, hard white and soft white wheat berries. I did make some banana bread yesterday with a quick bread recipe and it turned out well. I used about half hard red (we had leftovers) and half soft white. 2. Do you always grind your flour freshly? I know it begins to oxidize soon so you shouldn't keep it too long, but it seems like it would be a pain (not to mention very loud) to always grind it fresh. Do you have any you keep already ground in case you just need a little bit here and there? If you do keep any already ground, how do you store it (in what sort of container and in the fridge or at room temp)? How long do you keep it? When you are grinding, how do you figure out how many cups of wheatberries to grind for the flour you need? 3. Do you clean the hopper (the container where your milled flour ends up) after every time you grind grain? If not, how often do you clean it? 4. Do you have to wear earplugs? The Nutrimill is supposed to be quieter but it is actually quite loud and sounds sort of like a jet plane taking off or landing. 5. Do you make a mess? I wasn't trying to, but you can imagine the flour everywhere! I can tell I am going to have to wear an apron or something for sure. 6. Do you make all your family's bread that you use for toast, sandwiches, and everything else? What else do you make for your family? (I guess that sort of relates to the first question above.) How many loaves do you make every week, and how often do you make bread? How long does it take to get your bread going? It seems to still take a long time, though I'm sure not as long as it would take to make it by hand. It just seems to take a while to do the grinding and all the measuring. I am not really used to doing much cooking around here though. (DH is wonderful and he does most of it. since he stays home with the kids.) Anyway, sorry this got long, but I would sure appreciate any feedback! And, happy thanksgiving to all! |
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| Nov. 23, 2006 - I can try to help... |
| First about the falling bread...I would cut back on the second rise time. I have mine set to 20 minutes. I think your bread is rising too much and falling.
I don't use the egg at all, so I'm no help there, but I don't think it should matter one way or another. It's just going to give you more moisture/softness/nutrition. I never measure my flour. I just use 3 heaping cups of wheat, grind and use it all. I think your fallen loaf will taste fine also. We've eaten many that looked that way :). Hope this helps and Happy Thanksgiving! Chris, GA from the FIAR boards |
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| Nov. 23, 2006 - Your other questions :)... |
| 1. What do you use the various types of wheat for in your own home?
I used to use hard red and hard white but have switched to all hard white. I use soft wheat for non-yeast type things. 2. Do you always grind your flour freshly? Yes :). Do you have any you keep already ground in case you just need a little bit here and there? I sometimes have extra ground that I keep in the frig if I just need a tiny bit like for thickening gravy or something. You shouldn't store it at room temp; it will go rancid. I just put it in a ziplock in the frig. You could keep it in there for a long time, I think. When you are grinding, how do you figure out how many cups of wheatberries to grind for the flour you need? My rule of thumb is 1 cup of wheat makes 1 1/2 cups of flour. 3. Do you clean the hopper (the container where your milled flour ends up) after every time you grind grain? No, I don't. If not, how often do you clean it? I don't have a set amt. of time. ;) 4. Do you have to wear earplugs? I have the WhisperMill and it is loud too. But it really only runs for literally a minute or 2, so it's not a biggie :). 5. Do you make a mess? Not unless I'm using a stand mixer :). 6. Do you make all your family's bread that you use for toast, sandwiches, and everything else? We do buy bread for certain things that dh prefers on store bought. What else do you make for your family? I've tried just about everything bread-wise in the Breadbeckers cookbook. How many loaves do you make every week, and how often do you make bread? Maybe 2/wk. I don't really keep track. How long does it take to get your bread going? 10 mins or less. I have my water warming in the microwave and my grain grinding at the same time. All my ingredients are handy to my mill. Plus I know the recipe by heart so that helps. Hope that helps :). Stick with it and you'll be the one giving advice before you know it! Chris, GA |
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| Nov. 24, 2006 - Welcome to the bread club |
| 1. I primarily use a mixture of hard red and hard white wheat for bread. I've also used all red, all hard white, and/or a mixture of hard and soft white.
2. Do you always grind your flour freshly? Yes Extras go in a container in the freezer. Comes in handy for other cooking tasks. When you are grinding, how do you figure out how many cups of wheatberries to grind for the flour you need? 1 cup berries = 1-1/2 cups ground wheat. Also keep in mind that recipes which are not based on freshly ground flour may have to be adjusted. It takes more freshly ground flour than prepackaged flour. Bread Beckers has a conversion chart. 3. Do you clean the hopper (the container where your milled flour ends up) after every time you grind grain? No. I clean it when I feel like it needs it. 4. Do you have to wear earplugs? LOL 5. Do you make a mess? Yep. I never owned an apron until I started making my own bread. 6. Do you make all your family's bread that you use for toast, sandwiches, and everything else? Yes. I make everything except rolls and buns. How many loaves do you make every week, and how often do you make bread? 1-2/ week on average. How long does it take to get your bread going? Once I got into the swing of things, I'd say about 15 or so minutes of prep and then 5 minutes of stand-by (making sure the dough is the right consistency). As for your falling bread, looks like it rose to much. That happened to me the first time I used the Bread Becker recipe, too. Keep an eye on the dough as it's mixing. If it's too wet and sticky, add more flour. Your bread looks edible so don't worry to much. If you want to see MY FIRST ATTEMPT AT BREADMAKING check this out: http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/poorspeech/82049/ |
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| Nov. 24, 2006 - Don't give up yet!!! |
| You sounded so disappointed in your post. Breadmaking takes a little trial and error but you'll get the hang of it soon!
You've already gotten some good advice so I won't re-answer ALL of your questions. The egg mixing shouldn't make a difference one way or the other in your final product. I don't own a Zo but from what your describing, it sounds like the 2nd rise might need some adjusting on the time or maybe even the yeast ratio. Also, add enough flour so that it doesn't stick to the side of the breadmaker pan when mixing but not too much extra that will result in a dry, coarse product. Are you using a instant yeast? Is it fresh? For my 1.5 lb loaf I use about 1 Tbsp of yeast. Don't forget that you have the option of making the dough in the breadmaker and letting it rise and bake in your oven. I had the most success with this when first starting out. After many years of breadmaking (and adding more babies), we have worked our way into a DLX. I make about 4 loaves that last about 5 days (we're a family of 5 - soon to be 6). Rolls or something special for dinner, I'll throw in the breadmaker to mix for me while I start cooking. When it's done, either myself of my children help shape, rise and then put in the oven. So my advice - conquer one thing at a time. Build on your success and then branch out. Try some of the muffin recipes. They are delicious and you really can't mess them up (just don't let them get too brown with honey!). Good luck! Nicole (brianandnicole65@msn.com) |
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| Dec. 1, 2006 - Cooking Blogger |
| I have found some great whole grain recipes at camillaanderson's blog. The blog site name is camillaanderson. She might have some answers for you. I know she has some great recipes! |
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| Dec. 28, 2006 - bread making |
| I was just wondering if anyone has answered your questions on bread making. If not let me know and I will try to help you. |
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| Jan. 25, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Are you still out there, Tricia? |
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