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Posted on Jul. 20, 2007 at 7:10 AM

Groan of the day: What did one house say to another house? “House it going?”

 

OK, so I have been challenged to defend my beliefs in coexistence, the church being corrupt, and an attraction to the same sex being a disorder not a sin. The great blogger http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/PoorBoyHat/ has done a great job of defending my stance of homosexuality, and I encourage you to read that.

 

Mat 5:44 is the verse that is the main basis for my belief in coexistence and the homosexual issue: “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”

 

Coexistence:

 

Coexistence means existing together in peace. In the political sense the United States coexists with Communism. The United States does not coexist with terrorism. If we are to ever have world political peace we must all coexist. Coexistence in the religious sense means that we should all seek to live at peace with those of other religions. Radical Islam teaches that all that do not agree with them must die-  this is not coexistence. I believe Christianity teaches that we are to live in peace with someone, even if they have a different religion or no religion at all.

 

Bono of U2 has popularized the coexistence symbol after growing up in a country (Ireland) where Protestants and Catholics were not coexisting- they were killing each other.

 

An attraction to the same sex is a disorder not a sin:

 

The Bible mentions the word homosexual one time. 1 Cor 6:9 says that “homosexual offenders” will go to hell (if they don’t repent). The original rule against homosexuality was made in  Lev 20:13a  "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.”

 

All references to homosexuality as a sin in the Bible refer to the act or the lust, not the attraction. If someone wakes up with an attraction to their own sex, they need help, but they are not sinning.

 

The religion of Christianity is corrupt:

 

There are too many Biblical examples of the corrupt church. Check out most of Revelation. No one is perfect, everyone is wrong. Obviously the church will have some false doctrine.

 

Charts:

 

Christian Rock:

1.       Madmen, Wavorly +

2.       Evil, Project 86 +

3.       Play It Safe, Dizmas+

 

Christina AC:

1.       Give You Glory, Jeremy Camp-

2.       Every Time I Breathe, Big Daddy Weave-

3.       Bring the Rain, MercyMe+

 

Christian Hit:

1.       The Last Night, Skillet-

2.       Let It Fade, Jeremy Camp+

3.       I’m For You, Tobymac+

4.       Awakening, Switchfoot-

5.       After The World, Disciple-

 

Top Christian Albums:

  1. Flyleaf, Flyleaf
  2. Southern Weather, The Almost
  3. Portable Sounds, TobyMac
  4. Precious Memories, Alan Jackson
  5. Open Book, Da T.R.U.T.H.

 

Christian songs that are hits on secular radio:

 

AC:

24. Lemonade, Chris Rice+

 

Active Rock:

 20. Breathe Into Me, Red-

 21. All around Me, Flyleaf+

 26. Lie to me, 12 Stones+

 36. Say This Sooner, The Almost+

 

Alternative:

 8. Say This Sooner, The Almost+

 28. All Around Me, Flyleaf+

 

Hot AC:

16. Undeniable, Mat Kearney-

 34. Beautiful Disaster, Jon Mclaughlin-

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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 7:15 AM. Author: rivergirl
Hmmmm...
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 7:23 AM. Author: Anonymous
I completely agree. You worded that very well.
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 8:30 AM. Author: totustuus
I think that a lot of people were definitely overreacting about this...

You know that I disagree with you about #3, though. I believe that the gates of hell have not prevailed against the Church. Yes, the people in the Church are flawed, but Christ's Bride is spotless. It is the "pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15), so it cannot have error.

But, yeah, a Protestant would have to believe in flawed Christianity because all Protestant denominations contradict each other in different ways, therefore together, they must be flawed.

Thanks for posting this, I think it'll help to clear up a lot of things.
Regards,
Sylvia
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Yo!

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 9:48 AM. Author: Akuchi
Surely it wasn't that long! I'm sure you've seen and read much longer and more entertaing entries! ^_^ But thank you.

Bye-cha. Kayla.

Edited by Akuchi on Jul. 20, 2007 at 9:55 AM
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 9:51 AM. Author: ForeverConfused
as soon as i get money i'm getting the flyleaf CD
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:-D)) (a smiley with double chins)

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 10:19 AM. Author: BlackRose
Weelll, its not the best picture of me in my opinion lol. I'll try to post more if I can figure out how to resize them lol.
I still think you should interview me lol.
I still mostly agree with you on the coexist thing. I have a little different view of homosexuality than you do though. I haven't looked it up in the bible, so I don't know what it says, but did you know that a large percent of homosexuals were sexually abused in thier childhood? Its true. Sexual abuse often causes children to become very sexually confused when they become adults.
You probubly didn't want to know that lol. Sometimes I just can't resist telling people phsychological stuff, its so facinateing to me.
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 10:20 AM. Author: JesusLovesU
I do not think that you posted a sufficient enough verse for your thoughts. The verses taken from Mathew 5 have nothing to do with homosexuality or coexistence.

I know that it is now going around that the deal with homosexuality was a misunderstanding, if it was, then I agree with you, but there is still a fine line to being tempted and being gay. I will agree that to having a temptation about homosexuality is not wrong, but if we even slightly act on it, it would be wrong.

As for the co-existence, no where in the Bible does it say that we are to accept, and have peace with those deep into sin. We should be out preaching and teaching to those lost, but definitely never just sitting around accepting and or having peace with their sin. Check these verses of scripture:
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
That is a verse that directly goes against the whole co-existence thing. Also, since the fall of man, there has been lots of strife between men. It is really not possible for there to be complete peace between all men, unless of course when the end times come and the Anti-Christ is amongst us. I think that until Jesus comes back, and takes us to heaven, there is never is never going to be peace.

Also, I saw another problem when reading your religious beliefs.

Why did you say "this God" and "itself"? Do you mean to say that you believe that every road leads to Rome? If so, then this is also against the scriptures.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:5-6

To some degree, I think that Christianity is flawed, but, when honestly serving and following the Lord, I don't think that there really are flaws. (unless for falling short, which is in man's nature, no one;s perfect)

In Christ, Britta
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Okay . . .

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 10:42 AM. Author: PoorBoyHat
That's a good summary of the homosexual issue. As for the corruption issue, I don't really have an opinion.

Concerning coexistence, I agree in the sense that we should definitely not be physically fighting non-believers. However, the Bible makes it clear that the world will never accept us as Christians and we are doomed to be persecuted. In fact, it will get even worse. Biblically, I do not believe coexistence is possible. And it is not what we should strive towards. Rather, we should strive to evangelize in a loving manner and let the chips fall where they will.

~Timothy
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 10:59 AM. Author: SeaChel
Ok, thanks for the answer. It's all right that you forgot.

Thank-you for explaining your stand on those things. I'm still not sure if I agree with you on some of them, but I understand what you're saying a whole lot better now!

~Sea
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 12:21 PM. Author: Sweettunes
well just because it says to love them does not make it right to be homeosexual.

:)
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The B-I-B-L-E - YES, that's the book for me.. I stand upon on the Word of God - The B-I-B-L-E

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 1:06 PM. Author: Jocelyndixon
Alright, well, I'm done. It seems you can't prove your "theory".

I agree with Britta... you didn't give hardly any scripture and you're going off of what Tim and Sylvia said...

But I will leave you with this verse... JESUS, SON OF GOD, said, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. -Matthew 5:28

If you have thought about it or lusted after your own sex... then you have committed that sin of homosexuality in your heart. Those are the words of the Creator. The one who designed marriage in His perfect Will. You can't refute them.

And, did you ever answer BlogBoy's/Eric's question?

As for 'coexisting'... yes, I believe we are supposed to love our neighbors and turn the other cheek, we aren't suppose to kill people who don't agree with us... but we aren't suppose to love that person's religion or endorse it. There is a vast difference between the two. I love the Muslims and the Catholics, but I do not agree or want to coexist with their faith. I will love them as myself to show them the love of Christ so they might be saved by Jesus. period.

And, Zech, needs a good pat on the back for his comment... Wow, he was awesome. Wow.

In HIM alone,
Jocelyn
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Ironic Thing here, Chris-

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 1:28 PM. Author: JacqueDixonSoulRestES
You are splitting hairs on this issue, just as satan himself did in the garden when he said to Eve, "Did God *really* say....?". I want Sylvia and Timothy to think about that too. God DOES judge the intents of our hearts... Thoughts of stealing is covetousness; Thoughts of murder start with hatred; thoughts of homosexuality go against the nature of God and lean to the idolatries of man. Basic Ten Commandments.

In addition to that, it's ironic that if you ask a homosexual what defines him as a homosexual, he or she is not going to say the act of. He or she would say it is that they are attracted to the same sex. They love the same sex in the way I love my husband.
They have fought long and hard for people to *not* think of homosexuality as "the act of", but rather, a loving people who just love the same sex instead of the opposite. Here you are bringing the word homosexual down to the act of, and it's ironic that a homosexual would more than likely try to get you away from that definition, and it would line up with the feelings and thoughts in their hearts that cause them to "feel" attracted to the opposite sex.

You are putting yourself right smack-dab in the middle, and I think that is right where you want to be: in the middle of a controversy. This would be fine, if you were quoting God's Word to prove, instead of trying to disprove.

Mrs. Dixon



Edited by JacqueDixonSoulRestES on Jul. 22, 2007 at 12:08 AM
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Author: PoorBoyHat
Mrs Dixon,

If you could comment on my latest post I would greatly appreciate it.

I certainly do not believe this is a case of splitting hairs. You seem to be saying that being tempted is equal to having done the deed. I keep trying to point out that this is Biblically wrong, especially since Jesus himself was tempted. And yet no one seems to be listening.

Lust is sin, I have already said that several times. However, for some people there is a strong temptation to lust, yet if they do not yield to it, they have not yet sinned. What homosexuals define as homosexuality is a state of lust. This is very different. They have no problem with their lustfulness and accept it freely.

This is not splitting hairs nor is it semantics. It is a real life issue that needs to be faced. Suppose you have a Christian brother who is under heavy homosexual temptation, yet is valiantly resisting thinking lustful thoughts or doing sinful behaviors. Are you going to say that man is sinning because he has those temptations? If so, you would be straying into very dangerous unBiblical waters.

~Timothy
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Timothy-

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Author: JacqueDixonSoulRestES
~~~~Comment left on Timothy's blog~~~~

Well, Coie was actually right about one thing - this is pointless. We cannot keep going on our opinions instead of scripture. When we get to the Throne and the True Judge judges all of this, His opinion will be the only one that matters. He already gave it to us.. printed and bound.
Mrs. D.

Edited by JacqueDixonSoulRestES on Jul. 22, 2007 at 12:01 AM
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This was NOT what I was waiting for...

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 2:49 PM. Author: SuperAngel

Thank you Chris for proving me right. With this post, you proved me, Paulie, Jocelyn and everyone else who doesn't agree with you, right. You do not have scritpures to back up your beliefs. We do. We stated those scriptures. You did not. Thank you for proving us right.

At least everyone will know that there is NO scriptural basis for what you are believing and hopefully everyone will see the light. There are alot of things wrong in this post. Things that are untrue. You said this post would show how the Bible backs you, I don't see that anywhere. This post is 1% Bible and 99% your opinion. You are playing semantics. You are not coming out and saying what the Bible says.

How do you define homosexuality?? Because my Bible defines it as a man laying with a man. Romans 1:24-27. Which goes against the natural law of God.

My Bible defines God as sovereign and no one else or religion is that, but God. Do you believe that God coexists with other gods?? I don't. God cannot coexist with any other god, otherwise He would not be God.

I am not going to debate anything else with you because it won't do anything. So I leave with nothing more to say about all of this. I did what I was required to do according to the Bible. There is nothing more I can do.
I will pray for you as you are searching for the truth.
Sincerely,
Amanda Dixon

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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 10:07 PM. Author: Free2bme
((hugs Chris)) Dude, you really know how to stir the pot up!
Deb
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Jesus:

Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 10:16 PM. Author: JacqueDixonSoulRestES
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Edited by JacqueDixonSoulRestES on Jul. 22, 2007 at 12:05 AM
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Posted Jul. 20, 2007 at 11:04 PM. Author: TC
Blessings to you, Chris.

Edited by TC on Aug. 1, 2007 at 6:32 PM
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Posted Jul. 21, 2007 at 9:00 AM. Author: Anonymous
You guys are so nerve-racking! I am SOOO fed up with all this. Chris is 100% right. He said VERY clearly, that homosexuality is wrong, and lust is wrong, but the temptation is not! As for co-existence. Do you guys know what EXIST means? It does not mean embracing anyone else's religions. It means living without fighting over differences! It is SOOO clear! And the Christain religion is VERY flawed. The world's history is more than enough proof. If any of you take history classes you should know. That is all there is to it.
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What would Jesus say about all of this?

Posted Jul. 21, 2007 at 1:41 PM. Author: POTCgirl
Wow, I am dumb founded by the stir that one boys "beliefs" has caused. As a mother of some of the HSB members on here, I have to say how sad and disappointed I am with the manner in which some of us christians have handled this whole topic. First of all, Chris did not ask for anyone's opinions about his beliefs. He was in fact asked by a peer to state them and so he did. Someone implied that he just loves the controversy around him. Chris did not start this whole argument and actually has been forced into a position of defense. I am not here to even touch on the elements of this debate... enough of that has been done already. I am just concerned about how we as believers in Christ treat each other when we disagree on an issue. Aren't you tired of being the laughing stocks of the world friends? We teach love and beat each other to death over DOCTRINAL issues! As my ole preacher daddy used to say, "learn to disagree agreeably". Now when it comes to standing for my beliefs.... I'll die for them. I have taught my children this as well. But when it is my brother or sister, love comes first. You draw more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. I have read a whole lot of "vinegar" tasting words associated with this post.

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:


Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

I do not know Chris and have only heard of him because of the discussion this thread has stirred up in our home. My children have come to me hurt and disturbed by the harshness in the comments made because some of you were people that they really looked up to.
Now being that most of you do not know me, this can come off sounding as though I am the type of christian that says lets just love everybody and never get in the fight. As a pastor and missionary's daughter, the sister of a pastor, sister in law of a pastor, wife of a pastor and teacher and counselor myself, I can assure you, that is not the case.
I am in the "the battle" everyday and believe in standing for what is right. We teach our children this as well. (See my daughter's recent "fight" POTCgirl look in the archives under The Truth May Hurt!!! )
The bottom line to my post is this... What would Jesus do? He corrected in love. He was much more forceful with the Pharisees than anyone else and he laid it on the line with them but he used words of wisdom that caused them to think and usually there was NO argument when he finished speaking.... they went away amazed. Jesus DID NOT argue. He stated the facts and ended it.
What would Jesus have done in response to Chris's post on his beleifs? Maybe he would have just prayed for truth in this young mans life...
God bless you all,
POTCgirls mom

Edited by POTCgirl on Jul. 21, 2007 at 1:43 PM
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Rock on.

Posted Jul. 21, 2007 at 5:09 PM. Author: Parodyonlife
Trying to convince people of your views is not the correct way of influencing people to Christ, pushing things on people usually pushes them away. (See Newtons laws). The only way to a mans heart is through food or God, I don't think God has been in any of these comments by "fellow Christians trying to help". The people who have been saying these comments have done it before they are, Chronic Hate commenter some are new to the trade. But i believe an adult going to a Teenagers blog and spewing "Crap" is not the way adults should be spending their hours. Even more so because we look up to and respect adults how are we supposed to do that when they throw down the believes our parents and other adults taught us? If the beliefs are wrong though i don't think so, then the child will be brought to God if it is his plan trying to throw bologna at people and say horrible things on a blog that no one has a problem with is insulting to human kind, and Gods good nature. Your obviously not going to change a single thing so go away your just causing pain instead of helping, anyone at all can see that.

All my blessings Chris,

John Garrity
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Posted Jul. 21, 2007 at 5:38 PM. Author: LizzieBee
Back again, Chris. Sorry to see you are still getting hammered. Some people toss out the word 'love' and claim to profess it toward you, but somehow it comes off as anger and hate. I hope that is not what they intend, though it is the result. Perhaps God is using you to reach them, for they seem unable to let go, and He is, perhaps, teaching them some valuable lesson that may become clearer to them in the future. We can pray for them and all who have been affected by the situation. This Scripture has some relevance, I believe.

1 Corinthians 13
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

God Bless,
Lizziebee
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Posted Jul. 24, 2007 at 3:41 PM. Author: msmarla
WHAT? I think you need to do some more reading. Try Matthew. If it is a sin for a man to look at a woman lustfully, then how can the perversion of one man looking at another "in that way" not be? We are instructed numerous times in scripture to bring every THOUGHT captive. My angry thoughts are just as much sin as my slamming a door or raising my voice
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Romans 1:26-17

Posted Jul. 24, 2007 at 3:48 PM. Author: ednella
Chris, the Bible makes a very solid case against homosexuality, not the least of which is found in Romans 1. Leviticus also condems homosexuality as a sin, not a disorder.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
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Posted Jul. 24, 2007 at 4:56 PM. Author: msmarla
Well, you certainly generated a lot of comments with this one. My comment was a little off the cuff, because I read your post on my son's friends page and couldn't figure out where it originated. I posted the comment to get to your blog, really.
But now that I have engaged in this, I would like to just point out one further thing for your consideration. If you read Romans 1 as Ednella suggested, you will see that homosexual desires (ie attraction) are a result of God giving these people over to their own sin. It is a symptom of someone who has already gone horribly astray from God's plan. I'm not saying that person is beyond redemption, but if I had a friend who had professed faith in Christ and they were struggling with a same sex attraction I would suggest that they take a much deeper look at their faith. I think it would probably be true that they had made a habit of pursuing worldly pleasures and had not yet 'died to self" in their service to our Lord.
The world wants to tell us that homosexuality is a tendency people are born with. While it is true that we are all born with a sin nature, I do not believe anyone is born with a same sex attraction. God created us to be attracted man to woman and woman to man. The Word of God is clear that this is the "natural desire".
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