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Jun. 19, 2007 - Are my kids unsocialized?

We homeschoolers get so frustrated and annoyed with hearing the ridiculous question, “What about socialization?” But lately I’ve been wondering if there’s some truth to it. 
 
Are my kids unsocialized?
 
Some of you are laughing as you know or have read all about our social life and how very social my kids are. So why am I concerned where I have not been previously?
 
My sister says my kids lack tact and discretion. She’s right. They will point out or say everything or anything. Plus, my son is a know-it-all, and she thinks that if he were in a classroom then other kids would be better at things than him and it would put him in his place so to speak. “Of course he knows more than his three little sisters, but he wouldn’t know more than a whole classroom of kids,” she postulates. Really, would he not? 
 
My kids are very forward. Just the other day my son says to the cashier (who has neither noticed him nor acknowledged his presence), “Father’s Day isn’t fun for us since our dad is in Chicago.” He does this all the time. At the playground he started talking to two older woman telling them about how we just moved here from Virginia, but he was born in Maryland and all sorts of other stuff (while I was on the other side of the playground with his sisters). Should I discourage him? Maybe God has given him this boldness for the purpose of evangelism. 
 
My middle daughter is very affectionate, physically. It’s a challenge to keep her from climbing up on people’s laps and putting her arms around their neck. Specifically men.   I’m talking any man! We even had a contractor come to our house once and she climbed up on his lap and wrapped her arms around his neck and stared into his eyes. Totally inappropriate! How do I teach her not to do this without crushing her tender and affectionate spirit?  
 
My son has also completely stopped using the “interrupt rule” (as some call it) which he has been taught since he was 2 years old. He’s very confident and speaks to adults as if they are his peers. He has begun interrupting conversations with great frequency, which is especially frustrating when he does so to correct me and some detail that I missed or something that I said that wasn’t exactly correct. I’m verbose enough as it is and very detail oriented in my story telling, but have learned that people don’t have time for every detail, so I try to leave out the insignificant ones and now MY son is sitting beside me correcting me every time I leave one out. I’ve tried to explain to him first that he’s being rude and embarrassing me, but second that I’m not lying just because I don’t tell every specific detail! We’re working on it, but it’s been a challenge. (And I understand because he is just like me). The worst was when my dad was talking to my uncle, relating an incident that had happened, and just when he got to the pinnacle of the story; my son interrupted and finished it, effectively stealing the punch. My dad sat with his jaw dropped. Ds had literally taken the words out of his mouth and my dad was none too pleased!
I could go on and on with examples, but the big question is: Is this evidence of a lack of “proper” socialization? Are my kids always going to be a little bit odd because they were homeschooled?
 
In addition, does anyone have any suggestions for how I can deal with these types of situations? Beyond memorizing applicable Scripture verses (there are plenty about pride & boasting), I’m at a loss. I’m trying to communicate what is and isn’t appropriate, but it just isn’t sinking in. 
 
I’ve been increasingly more concerned over the past few weeks, but things really came to a head at my sister’s house Sunday, and I’d hate to write off her words when I know there is validity to them. 
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Jun. 19, 2007 - YEs, our kids are odd

Posted by REInvestor
because they aren't mainstream America and that is how we want it. But I know what you are talking about. My ds still cries whenever he is frustrated (which seems to be alot) and he is 7 years old. I know if he was in school he would be teased and so would stop crying so much, but I wonder at what price. My neighbor's son who is a sweet kid, also 7, and someone we let our son play with, has been teased so much this past year that they decided to homeschool him.
But I think you just keep working at these issues from the perspective of character traits - replacing rudeness with care for others, channeling an assertive character into ways that glorify the Lord rather than themselves. It is slow work and requires persistance and perseverance on our parts - something that I never have enough of. And enlist your families help if you can.
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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Dedee
I'm not sure that being in school will necessarily be a cure all for some of those character traits that you were describing. My son is seven, in school and still cries and so far the teasing--if there has been any--has not solved the problem. My daughter still bosses the world around her and all her years in school have not diminished it that much. I find that the difference I find in some home schoolers is when it comes to the dating scene and interactions with the opposite gender. I'm going to think about this more and maybe post you some more. You've brought up some very interesting questions that I'd like to ponder. Partly because one of my dh's problems with home schooling is the percieved social backwardness of many of those kids. If I could find an answer for that, I'd probably think harder about pulling them out of the public school system.
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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by StillHisGirl
I think the fact that you are aware of some of these things you'd like to address is half the battle! You're clearly a conscientious mommy who invests in her kids.

I bet homeschooling is not the major factor here; I bet it is more their personalities and ages and stages.

As for how to deal with it, I would try to find a way that makes THEM become conscious of when they do certain things (like interrupt or are tactless or boasting or whatever). What is working for my #2 currently is money. Her issue is how she talks to her sisters. Everytime she talks in "that" tone to her sisters, she has to pay that sister a quarter. If she talks to me in "that tone," the price is high! One day I made $5 in just a few minutes! :) Bonus for me and appropriately painful for her.

I'd pick one thing to work on per kid, talk about it with them seriously in a sit-down, pray about it with them, and see if you can come up with some sort of system where they are accutely aware of the times they do it. (They may only be made aware by you telling them, but eventually they'll see it in themselves.)

With your daughter, maybe give her guidelines of who she IS allowed to be that affectionate with, and she needs to save it for those people. (Emphasizing what a gift it is to those people that she wants to hug them!)

I'd give ANYTHING for my oldest to be willing to talk to an adult when they speak to her, let alone to be brave enough to initiate a conversation! I'm confident that focused in the right direction, all the traits you've mentioned will be strengths for them!



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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by pcp
ahhh.. breaking the silence
I think that children lacking tact and discretion-
it is part and parcel of the world of foolishness and youth.
My son has been in school for five years now - (although
I will homeschool him next year, 2nd grade) and there
are children who hold their tongues. I find that, most often,
these are children with older teenage siblings that give
them a sound pounding when they do stupid things.
This brings us, I suppose, to the broken spirit issue.
Some just have it in the nature.

My son is a sensitive 7 year old who cries at frustrations - many of the boys in his class are still the same way. No matter the exterior they manage to cultivate as a survival mechanism in school.. they are still insecure little boys struggling to feel big, strong, important and valued. Many still cry openly - and are not teased for it, yet.

Perhaps I have seen I higher concentration of homeschooled children who tend to overestimate their abilities because of the lack of exposure to the abilities of a greater sampling of children in general... but there are plenty of children with huge egos and very little tact in my elementary school experience.

It is always a marathon - the long-suffering correction of
self-worth derived from superficial abilities, saying things that hurt other's feelings, acting inappropriately. How I wish schooling had cured my son of his inappropriate retelling of our family history to supermarket checkers!

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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Molly
Wow! I too am heartily sick of the socialization question myself. Let's put this into perspective. Why would putting your children in a schoolroom full of other children who are also socially lacking solve the problem?? How are they to learn from peers whose morals you can't be sure of and are just as socially awkward? In my opinion, they wouldn't. I can speak from experience....I was in public school nearly all my life and was terribly shy. Other children made fun of me, put me into tears and it didn't teach me a thing except to avoid such kids and fade even more into the background. You know what solved the problem? Growing up, simply time and maturity. Now, you are aware of things your kids are doing lately so you can keep addressing them. I can't tell you how many public and private school kids I've interacted with who interrupt or have bad manners. My honest opinion is that time and biblical correction will solve these issues. Socialization takes place everywhere....home with family, grocery stores, playdates, birthday parties, Sunday school and so on. I'd keep doing what you're doing with them and try not to let people discourage you about "socializing" your children properly. Best wishes and take care.

Love Molly (:
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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Elise
You know, I've heard as a common complaint about homeschooled children that they are overly cocky - and I think, how can that be? The public school system - and the world - is busy telling everyone there that they did just fine, even if they failed! If anything, "socialized" children should be more cocky.
But then I realized why my children sometimes don't seem to know when to stop talking... and it's because their spirits haven't been crushed by someone telling them to shutup. And I, for one, am glad for that.
As for interrupting, that is definitely something to work on, and your daughter climbing into people/strange men's laps is definitely inappropriate, as you already know. But as far as being sure of themselves and eager to talk to grownups? Heavens, they could just stand there and look at the ground when spoken to, and answer in grunts. Would that be better?
They are happy, and well-rounded, and watched over. It's a good thing.
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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
First off, I have to put in a little disclaimer that I really don't have a whole lot of real-life parenting experience from which to advise you, since my kids are all little and socialization isn't a very important part of our vocabulary yet. But - take heart in the fact that these things you've mentioned about your kids are not unique to homeschoolers. We work with kids at church who go to public schools, and they have all different kinds of "social behaviors", including coming across as a know-it-all, interrupting adults, etc., etc. I would take this advice from your sister, however, and pray about how to go about correcting it, or at least channeling it in the right direction. Like with your affectionate daughter, teaching her appropriate ways to show that affection, and who it is appropriate to show affection to! My oldest son is 4 and he is very much a person who likes to share things with strangers (and thinks he knows it all too). I think we have to carefully and prayerfully help each child learn how to overcome his personality weaknesses (and we all have them!). The memory verses will be a great help, and gleaning wisdom from reading and studying the Bible will help them learn discernment too, I think. I'll be praying for you! That's a toughie!

-Sarah
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Jun. 19, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by nsremom
Why is it that your sister feels as though she can point out 'issues' with your children? Has she always been that forward and, well, brazen? God gave your kids to your husband and you.....it's just not her beeswax.

My children and I had a great talk today that dovetails nicely. My oldest (11) child was telling my youngest child (7) that she was immature. I then fully explained maturity to them.

What is maturity? One way you become 'mature' in our country is when you reach adulthood. (legally, etc) Therefore, a 7 year old girl cannot be considered immature in a negative way, as she's acting appropriately, as she is a child. NOT an adult.

children are supposed to be foolish and silly and frankly.....dumb. It's because they're learning.

The traits you described were very much childish traits that some kids have, some don't. But there is NO LACK in your children. Let me repeat that.

There is no lack in your children. Amen.

How do they learn that path to maturity? Traveling the road of childhood. There's no way of getting there without being a foolish child.

Who is their guide on this path? Your husband and you. Period. not a bunch of other foolish children. Some parents are tremendous at handling this while their children are at school, but there's just not that many tremendous parents. (that's a cold hard fact)

The best way to insure the foolish behaviors stop is just to be there and show them the way.

And frankly, it sounds like you're doing a fantastic job. (I'd let your kiddos hang with mine!)

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Jun. 19, 2007 - *SORRY this SO-O long!!!!!*

Posted by JacqueDixonSoulRestES


I think everyone is a little bit odd when they grow up. That's not to say that children don't need to learn self-control and discernment. Besides that, as homeschoolers, we usually get a lot of flack just because we homeschool, so this is quite a valid concern! I think it is a good idea to evaluate what your sister said. She obviously loves you, her sister, and her nephews/nieces. Obviously, as you already noticed, there is something to what she said.

IMHO, children will act immature, but you are talking about something more than that with your son and something immature with your daughter that needs to be addressed so that she can grow and mature properly. Children are *not* supposed to stay silly and immature. They are supposed to grow daily in maturity, like we are. Childlike, yes, but not in a disrespectful or reckless manner.

You are not going to break your son's God-given bent toward evangelism just because you teach him some discretion and self-control. If anything, his learning these 2 virtuous qualities will better prepare him for any area in life, including evangelism, which we are all called to do.

I think he may need to learn/be reminded about strangers... that you don't have to fear them, but you do not just carry on with personal information as though they were family. They *can* be dangerous.

If your son has stopped using the “interrupt rule”, then it is definitely a training issue, and he needs to understand that yes, he is becoming a young man, and in the adult world, people don't just interrupt each other, they say excuse me - after someone is finished talking. This is basic "Golden Rule stuff", so you know he knows it and has just become lazy in its' application.

In addition to that, it is a hard thing to know when to let children sit in on or take part in an adult conversation, but clearly, your son is not ready to take part in it verbally. I think he should pretty much just sit and be quiet until he understands self-control. He is taking authority over adults, and he needs to know that it is unacceptable. God says so. He is to honor his parents that it may be well with him, and he may live long on the earth. Besides that, no adult should feel like they are subject to a child.

I think that we as homeschool parents are in danger of this, because our children's peers are a lot of times adults. I have been pleasantly pleased with meeting homeschooled children who call me Mrs. Dixon. Some parents don't teach that. My older children would prefer to call adults in this manner. It teaches that children are not of lesser value, but that there is a modicum of respect to have for adults.

As for your daughter, you also are not going to "crush her tender and affectionate spirit", but you may save her from danger and help her know that it IS inappropriate, as you said correctly. Of course, if you do 'crush' her spirit in a small way, that will be much less harm than it could be if she is too affectionate with strangers as she grows up.

I think, sometimes we don't have to search Scripture and explain things to our children. Sometimes it is a matter of, "I am the parent, do you trust me to teach you?". The lesson here may be that "Mommy(Daddy) knows best. Period. I love you and will not allow you to behave in a manner that is either dangerous or inappropriate." Let them feel that this is a serious issue with you.

If I do this with my 10yo son, he won't like it. He may want an explanation anyway. If I will stick with my plan, he will eventually have to ponder the seriousness of it. I think boys are like that a lot. Once he ponders it, it will start to sink in. If I were to change the method before it did, he wouldn't get it.

It seems to me that your son is constantly thinking about 'things'. Let him think.

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Jun. 20, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by 2peter318
I just had to let you know that I'm starting to read Anne of Green Gables. I just posted about it. It really is a good book. Thanks for encouraging me to read it. :)
JoAnn
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Jun. 20, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by BChsMamaof3
Your son sounds very familiar... are you sure you're not talking about mine *grin*
He has the same tendencies to talk uncontrollably to anyone including strangers, he is not discreet either just blurts out whatever is happening. We are working on this one right now! I've managed to curb his interrupting but he has a terrible time waiting his turn to talk : ) I think that they are used to talking all of the time and me wanting to listen and show interest in everything he is showing or telling me encourages that non stop chatter and since they are not in the public system where they spend the majority of the day just sitting and listening that may be seen by others as totally inapropriate or different but I don't want to squish their spirits either. But I wouldn't see it as being unsocialized and I don't know how the public system would even help with these little problems. If anything I think that there would be more pressings problems that may arise on top of these : )
I'm sure your children are just great and need a minor tweak *grin*
Blessings,
BChsMamaof3
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Jun. 20, 2007 - Hmmmm...

Posted by sonshine4u
I really enjoyed reading this blog entry and all the posts. I have very outgoing children as well...I was wondering the same thing, but realize after reading all the wealth of advice posted that it is just a "tweaking" and perserverance issue for us to continue pressing on with their upbringing. They are learning tons everyday and these social issues sometimes aren't apparent until we are outside our homeschool classrooms...while it is embarassing at times, it just is a pop-quiz of sorts for us as mom's to asses and then remedy as needed. Review/reteach/retrain or a new teachable moment altogether! Keeps us on our toes for sure!!! :) I'm with you sister!!!!
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Jun. 20, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Happyhome
I was going to give my two cents worth, but Emily pretty much summed up what I was going to say so...there you have it! Look at this as the Lord showing you areas you can work with your children, but keep in mind that they are just that...children. They will say and do dumb, immature things. Thankfully since you are home with them you can see those things and address them.

Hang in there mom and don't grow weary in doing good. Remember, you WILL reap a harvest of wonderfully mature young adults one day very soon.

Ang
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Jun. 21, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by chickadee
wow you got a lot of great feedback on that. people had way better thoughts than i would. i was going to say how would we know if your kids our weird, our kids are homeschooled too!
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Jun. 21, 2007 - Homeschool v Public school

Posted by Nikki (http://appreciatinglife.blogspot.com/)
My DD (7) is public schooled, and she has very similar tendencies! She talks non-stop, thinks that what she has to say is more important than what anyone else has to say, likes to be first/best/finished first/loudest etc. She also tends to talk to adults as equals. Last year she was in a private school with 12 kids in her class, this year she is in a public school with nearly 40 kids in her class; there has been no difference - being with extra kids has not curbed her tendencies!

With 6 hours of her day being at school, I have had to rely on strong communication with the teacher - I allow the teacher responsibility for teaching my daughter schoolwork, but I am responsible for teaching her character and her behaviour! I speak to the teacher every day after school to talk about DD's behaviour, and then take appropriate action at home. The teacher thinks this is fabulous, and appreciates the support.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think our children will have certain temperaments and personality characteristics regardless of their environment. As long as we are aware of them (as you are), then we have opportunity to guide and teach them. I believe that every trait or characteristic has both a negative and a positive side to it, and it is up to us as parents to pray and work to emphasise the positive aspects of the traits God has given our kids.

(As an aside, I have thought about homeschooling myself, but am not sure yet!)
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Jun. 21, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by ApplesofGold
IHi there. I just read a bunch of your blog this morning and so enjoyed it. (I have A Mother's Heart by Jean Fleming-it's one of my most favorite books)
This post you wrote is excellent-so honest and humble. I hope I can encourage you a little.
My son is also a talker. My dh & I joke that strangers we meet know our bank account and all our personal details-because of our son(he's 9, but has always been this way). He is getting better, though. He's just starting to learn discretion finally..
My dd(11) doesn't do this. And the youngest (2) is a bit shy so far.
I would pray and ask God how to handle these issues you see.
We all have things like this to guide our children through. I know God is still guiding me thru some of these things, too!
With my son, I felt lead to handle interrupting this way:
I told him that when he interrupts people, it makes them feel like what they have to say isn't important to him and that he's really not listening to them. That what he wants to say is more important than what they have to say. That really made him think because he didn't realize he was implying that.
I told him the greatest gift he can give a person is to really listen when they talk.
Also, we ask these 3 questions (a lot)
1.Is it kind?
2.Is it true?
3.Is it necessary?
Usually, they get tripped up on Is it necessary part.
You sound liike you have such a heart for the Lord and for your family. I'm confident the Lord will show you how to procede! Blessings, Holly
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Jun. 21, 2007 - Great thoughts you have raised!

Posted by workinprogress
Nobody's perfect and each thing you mentioned is just part of child training. Kids have different personalities and characteristics and we need to "train them up in the way they should go". The fact that your aware of these things is great and I know you will take the opportunities, as they come, to correct your children. Perhaps our homeschooled kids are a bit sheltered but I look at that as a positive thing. I'm sure public schooled children (in general) have a whole slew of other concerns that we are not dealing with because ours our at home.
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Jun. 22, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by halfmoon girl
I was thinking the same thing as nsre mom- your sister seemed to be very blunt with you. Is that something you two can do without crossing boundaries?

My kids are a lot like yours. I find it frustrating at times, especially when it appears to be disrespect towards adults.

We are always talking to them about things like respect, etc, but I am really trying to look at the big picture. They will not be mature now. I need to focus on that happening at some point, but not all now when they are children. I got some of Dr. Tim Kimmel's books when hubby and I attended one of his seminars. One that I have glanced at and really liked when I did was called "Raising Kids Who Turn Out Right". Have you had a chance to read any of his books? No secret formulas, just seems to be Bible based and common sense.
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Jun. 23, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by barbieheart
I've just spent some time "catching up" with you. I REALLY need to visit everybody more than every two weeks or so. Your posts almost always reflect "where I'm at" at the moment. Thanks for sharing your life.

--Barbara
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Jun. 23, 2007 - quick fix

Posted by Anonymous
If you want to feel better about your kids' social skills really quickly, make sure you stop by our house when you come to PA! Our 3 little Africans have no American social skills whatsoever. It makes every trip out of the house an adventure!

Becky
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