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Jun. 27, 2007 - Confronting Arrogance |
A couple of months ago my husband and I were talking with a new couple to our church. At their last church, they had started an emergent service. My interest was piqued and I was peppering him with questions about their experience. At one point he made a comment about the worship going on at college campuses, how it was real, relevant, fresh, sincere; he said that college campuses are where God is really at work. Surprisingly, I was offended.
I’ve now been out of college for 11 years, but it still seems like it was just yesterday. I remember well the wonderful times in worship I experienced in large and small settings; those were real, relevant, fresh, and sincere too. God was moving in our midst, He was at work, I cherish those times, but they didn’t end there. Since then, I’ve had wonderful times of worship in church, with other believers, in my own living room with my husband, and on my face before the Lord, all by myself, in the middle of the night. Who says God isn’t really working in me, in my family, in my church? I acknowledge that God is moving in college campuses all over the world and I praise Him for that, but He’s also working in churches and families! I’ve seen Him! Spiritual revival is not limited to college-aged kids! But I remember well being a college kid and realize now how arrogant I was. How I came home and questioned my parent’s faith. God was working, and I could see it so clearly in that college bubble, but rather than resulting in humility, it caused arrogance as I critiqued the places where God’s presence wasn’t quite as visible. I made assumptions. I’ve seen other collegiate Christians fall into the same trap. The experience is so unique and it’s so easy to begin to judge others who are not a part of the intense worship and evangelism and kingdom work as not really being sold-out for the Lord.
I’ve grown up a bit; I see more clearly now. I was once instrumental in creating a contemporary worship service at a traditional Southern Baptist church. I was vocal in my criticism of things like taking a moment to say hello to the people around you. In my eyes, nobody was sincere; it was all formality and unnecessary tradition. Ten years later, I really miss the old hymns and I enjoy shaking hands with those around me, and I’m sincere about it.
I’m not as arrogant about certain things as I once was (although I’m still not free from it), but recently, I’ve been offended by other people’s arrogance. There is a movement in the church to be fresh and relevant and inviting to unbelievers, to be free from the old baggage and seek God wholly and fully. The motives are pure, the desire to know God is admirable, but it is being accompanied by an arrogance, the kind of arrogance that I had in my college days. There is an assumption that the old way of doing things is ineffective and insincere. There is an assumption that the traditional, orthodox, denominational churches are full of hypocrites and Pharisees who put God in a box. There is an assumption that other believers who are not a part of the movement are not seeking God wholly and fully. I’m offended because I know it is not the case. There are sold-out, Bible believing, faith-filled, Christ following, miracle-seeking, sons and daughters of the King in every denomination.
Baptist churches take a lot of flack. I’ve seen my share of legalism and been wounded deeply by it, but it is an unfair assessment that all Baptist churches are legalistic. God is at work in Baptist churches. People are still being saved in Baptist churches. God’s Word is proclaimed and the Truth is taught in Baptist churches.
I think about my 60-something dear friend, Val, who is such a godly woman and loves the Lord with all her heart, is seeking Him moment by moment, day by day, traveling to Moldova twice a year to minister, share the Gospel, teach, bring healing, and fresh, clean water. There are few Titus 2 women like her who have ministered to so many young moms and loved so many orphans. I think of the hours I have spent in Bible study with her or staying up late talking about Spiritual things around the kitchen table.
It is for her sake that I am offended by the arrogance of others!
I consider my dear 50-something, sister, Cheryl, and the work that she has done at the Pregnancy Care Center, the number of women that she has served and loved, the babies and women whose lives have been saved because of her service, the times she has challenged me and corrected me and encouraged me as she has done with so many others, the way that she depends on the Lord daily.
It is for her sake that I am offended by the arrogance!
Presbyterian churches are often critiqued for their lack of warmth, being dubbed God’s “frozen chosen.” God is at work in Presbyterian churches! People are being discipled and sanctified in Presbyterian churches!
I think of my adopted, Christian grandpa, who married a widow and adopted her children, taking them as his own, raising a godly daughter who then brought my mom into her home where she too was “adopted” and loved to the Lord. There was nothing frozen about that home. Rather, there was a tangible sense of God’s presence! This man exudes warmth and love and is a living picture of Christ! His wife was such a strong example of Christ’s love that there were lines of people at her funeral. And even though he is now in his 80s, he still teaches 1st grade Sunday School as he has for the past 30 or maybe even 40 years.
It is for his sake that I am offended by the arrogance!
These three that I have mentioned are not fresh and relevant. They’re all quite old-fashioned, very conservative, and extremely orthodox. But they are neither hypocrites nor Pharisees and God has used them and continues to use them!
These are just three examples; the church as a whole is full of such! I’m sure I could find others in every denomination! I know first-hand of individuals and families in Baptist, Presbyterian, CMA, Bible, United Methodist, E-Free, Episcopal and non-denominational churches who are striving to love the Lord their God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength and to love their neighbor as their self. They love God, they love His Word, they have a heart for the lost. Those who are seeking to be fresh and relevant would do well to consider their testimonies before they make sweeping generalizations.
In the book of Revelation, Jesus dictates seven letters to seven churches. In these letters, Jesus points out specific things that the churches have done well in addition to specific things that he “has against them.” No church was perfect. No church ever will be. There is much insight to be gleaned from studying Jesus’ assessment of these seven churches, and we would be wise to follow His example of not merely critiquing the flaws that we see in various churches, but also recognize their strengths as well. If anyone had a right to be arrogant, Jesus did; instead, while He was on this earth, He exemplified humility.
God is alive and at work in the modern church and the traditional church. He is willing to use any who surrender themselves to the Lordship of Christ, whether they love hymns or wave their hands in the air while singing praise songs at the top of their lungs. Whether their prayers are quiet or delivered with passion, God hears them. There are great prayer warriors in the blue-haired class and the purple haired evangelist with tattoos up his arms would do well to enlist their prayer support rather than criticize their generation.
This arrogance is not limited to the modern church, believers of all sorts can fall prey to pride when they try to impose the convictions that the Lord has laid on their hearts upon others. Whenever God moves in our heart to convict us or to draw us nearer to Himself and cause us to desire HIM more it is an amazing thing. Regrettably, we often respond, not with humility, but with arrogance. “God convicted me to stop watching CSI but she’s still watching CSI; she must not be as spiritual as I.” or “God convicted us to get rid of our TV but they still have a TV; they must not be heeding God’s conviction.” “God’s convicted us to not drink alcohol, how can she call herself a Christian and still drink wine?” Arrogance! And for the record: Just because God called me to homeschooling does not mean that it is a sin to send your child to public school. Godly parents are raising godly children in the public school system! Can I get an, “Amen!”?
This does not mean that we advocate relativism, there are precepts and standards in God’s word to which all of us are accountable, but the application in our personal lives is not always going to look the same. We must continually guard against the arrogance that says they must. To be completely honest, this is a concept that I’ve been struggling with since I was a child, and I can clearly hear my mother’s words in my ears, “Angel, you can not measure other people with your own personal yardstick. Just because God has convicted you of something doesn’t mean He’s convicted others of the same exact thing!” I’m finally beginning to get it! Sometimes it takes seeing your sin in someone else before you really recognize how ugly it is. Lord Jesus, forgive me of the arrogance that I have had in the past, and help me not to be so prideful and judgmental in the future.
“For the eyes of the LORD move to and fro all throughout the earth to strongly support those whose heart is completely His.” (2 Chronicles 16:9) Only God can judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Let’s leave it up to Him to determine whose worship is sincere, whose service is relevant. Let’s allow the Holy Spirit to be the Holy Spirit and move in the hearts of His people to bring conviction and change. Let’s allow Him to use us all in the unique and different ways that He has created us to be used, according to His purpose for each one of us, and let’s come together as His body, not looking down on one another! Let us all strive to be more like Christ.
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Amen |
| Posted by 2peter318 |
I totally agree with the fact that people assume a great many things, and most christians can be arrogant in their convictions. I, too, have been one of those christians, and can fall back into it so easy. We are not use to a traditional, old-fashioned church, but we are in one right now. And, yes, at the beginning, we were very arrogant, thinking we worshipped or followed the Lord so much better than others. We have since been humbled and seen that's not always the case. But it is also sad to see that there are many (in this church anyway) who have never truly come to the Lord (they can't give you a time when they've asked the Lord into their heart), but think they are saved and going to heaven because they've been in the "church" for 20 years. I am saddened by those people. My heart breaks for those people. Because they think all the things they do at the church, and all the traditions they follow is making them a Christian. They don't fully understand the gospel, and yet they leave no opening to speak the gospel to them. All I can do is pray for them. And I continue to ask the Lord how He wants to use me in this church. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. It is truly such a sin to be an arrogant Christian. Though, sad to say, I'm sure we've all been and will be again at some point in our lives.
JoAnn |
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by nsremom |
I can't comment. You just said it ALL girl. Loved that post. God is worsihpped and served where there are worshippers. and yes, you CAN get an Amen.
(plus, you called me skinny(which I'm not) on my blog, therefore I love everything you do.....lol)
I personally know someone of a totally different denomination and I always wonder how she can STAND the worship music. It makes me wiggle and squirm. But, you're right Angel. It's not about ME and what I think she should be feeling. She's worshipping in her own way and doing her best.
So, shame on us. We Christians can be so harsh! |
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by SeekingJESUSnTeachingKIDS |
Hello, I am visiting your blog from another. I find it very insightful If satan can use division in the churches he is destroying the body of Christ from the inside out. When talking to other denominations. I point out that when we get to heaven God isn't going to ask what church we belonged to and have the catholic go to gate 8, the baptist, gate 3 etc... He is going to ask if we are in the Book and if we were the overcomers who KNEW His Son. It is so easy to be prideful. An area God is doing some surgery in now. Satan uses arrogance/pride to destroy our children, marriages, family, friends and anything he can. That entry was well said and the body of Christ needs to be praying for the other churches. God is working in individuas lives to change the churches into places that worship Him alone. I was saying Amen too. I am going to add you to my friends list;)
:>Michelle |
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Jun. 27, 2007 - You said it... |
| Posted by workinprogress |
much better than I could have! No more judging others on appearance or feelings or tradition-- let God be the judge for He will look at the heart and that is what matters.
Yep, you get an AMEN, sister!
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Rachelle |
| I think you said it all with passion and eloquence. What a great post. As someone who grew up in a church denomination that firmly believed it was the be all and end all of everything, I can totally relate to your point. I've been growing in grace, but it truly is an on-going process. |
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Honeybee |
| Well said (as usual!). I love when you share your growing pains because they always seem to be something I'm dealing with too. You're an awesome woman of God! |
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Glad you followed through on the arrogance post. |
| Posted by REInvestor |
WEll said. I too have wrestled and still do with arrogance. But the challenging part too is when God has shone you something that really does matter and we are to communicate it without the arrogance; with a heart of real humility and love.
I do respectfully disagree with you over public school. I have seen too much and I think it really does matter. I have seen too many Christian kids lose their faith or have it really watered down by the time they finish. But that doesn't mean I go around preaching to everyone that they must pull their kids from public school. I am praying for some people and waiting to see if God calls me to say something. If not I keep my mouth shut. |
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by StillHisGirl |
Well, you get many "Amens" from me! Sad that church can be so full of our judgements.
And YOU are right about homeschooling/public school. NO ONE can say what God has called another family to. NO ONE. And it sadly can seem very obnoxious and divisive to the body of Christ to judge others... and to even dream about doing it on such a non-salvation issue! UGH. You are 1000% correct. Godly parents are raising Godly children in all different school settings. Same with a church; worship styles, etc. God sees the heart; He alone knows what is going on when someone stands in a worship service. I remember being told once that a church I was a part of was "closed to the Spirit" because people didn't raise their hands, speak in tongues, etc. HA. The Spirit was moving and shaking even though people's hands might have been at their sides.
Thank you for being an example of GRACE and truth. I know you debated about posting this. I'm glad you did... you've got me thinking and I have my "am-I-arrogant-radar" on! :)
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Jun. 27, 2007 - Box? What box? |
| Posted by AHappyHome |
I don't think anyone's putting you in a box.
I've often said I think I must be a secret Black Baptist sister, bc I am forever wanting to jump in and say "yep! preach it! say that! amen!" and instead just sit on my hands. Thankfully (or not, depending on what is said), God has good ears.
I'm not sure about the whole public schools thing. I've been a teacher before and feel like I know the "inside scoop". But, like I've said before, even though I may disagree (and try to persuade!), I have too much to think about with regards to my own family to spin on the choices other people make. Besides, I wasn't there when whoever prayed and had that good long discussion with the Lord with regards to how to school their children. My hands are full with my own; I don't need to try to raise everyone else's.
Blessings,
Keri |
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Anonymous |
Amen and AMEN!
I grew up in a non-denominational, charasmatic, do-anything, forget all "old" things church. I now attend a conservative Presbyterian church. As "new" churches have tossed out sacraments and traditions, they've tossed out so much beauty and meaning. People are quick to judge (and toss out) a method or tradition without first learning why it's done in the first place... they just arrogantly assume it's only being done because it's always been done that way! |
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by ShayC |
Wow...you have rendered me speechless except to say a resounding AMEN SISTER!!!!
I have found myself recently with a Pharisee's heart, which I acknowledged quickly and threw it out the window with the help of Jesus. I don't want my children to grow up thinking they are above anyone because they "follow the life of a Christian"...I want them to grow up humble, loving Jesus Christ with *everything* they have, therefore "attempting" to obey all that He asks of us. I (and Jesus) have to be the example of that...
GREAT POST!
By the way...I'm DYING to get my hands on a copy of Self Raised...you were right!!!
Your Friend In Christ,
Shay
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by tdaiken |
Excellently said! This was my first visit to your blog and I have been blessed by your words. I am adding you to my friends list and will be back to read more.
Hugs,
Donna |
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Elise |
What a great post, Angel! You articulated this all so beautifully, and I intend to read it again to soak it all in.
Being offended can sometimes lead to sin on our part as well, so it is even something we need to be cautious in - and I say this for myself, as well. It can lead to resentment and severed relationships, and that does not accomplish anything for the Kingdom, either. It is a hard lesson that I struggle with daily.
Thank you for the thoughts, friend! |
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Hi there, |
| Posted by Canadagirl |
Very well said my SSiC
Do you remember on the HOW site a free grammar check link? I was very excited about it and forgot to book mark it. )0= On the make over at HOW I don't see the link any more.
God Bless my SSiC
In Him<><
-Mary |
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by homeschoolingmommaof4 |
Your post are always so thoughtful and thought provoking.
I'm passing the rockin' girl blogger award unto you. You can get the graphic from my site. |
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Jun. 28, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Happyhome |
You make some good points Angel. I agree with your mother! ;o) We can't use our own yardstick of convictions to measure others by. What may be a conviction or stumbling block for one, may not be for another. I had not ever thought of it as arrogance, but I see your point. I think often times it is also just a lack of knowledge. People assume what is good/bad for one should be for everyone.
I also agree that we must be careful in our judgements. However, I don't believe it is only the "new" or "relevant" churches doing the criticizing. Having ministered in churches over the past few years with a new paradigm, I can attest first-hand to the fact that we were looked down on by the more traditional churches for not doing things in a more traditional fashion. There is relevance in both approaches and both are important for reaching different people groups. We are all preaching Christ crucified, risen and living within us to help us be more like Him. The message does not change, but the delivery can...it doesn't have to mind you, but it can.
The point we need to remember is whether or not we do things in a more traditional fashion, or seek a new approach, our goals should be one in the same - to lead people to the Lord and see them grow in a relationship with Him. It should be viewed as a team effort, rather than a competition. Religion was not invented by God, relationships were.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate your transparency. Sorry for taking up so much space! As usual, you got me thinking.
Blessings,
Angela |
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Jun. 29, 2007 - Arrogant? No, Discerning? Yes |
| Posted by onecrazymom |
I read your post much earlier today and have not been able to stop thinking about what you said and I agree wholeheartedly that we have to guard our hearts against prideful arrogance but we also have to be very careful not to use this as an excuse to not stand for truth when truth needs to be stood for. The Bereans tested everything preached to them against God's Word (God's meauring stick) ( : and were commended for it.
Martin Luther said "It I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking , I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ."
We as Christians tend to shy away from the things we need to firmly take a stand on when that stand is not popular. I have to agree with REInvestor that education is not one of those light issues that some are convicted about and others not - God has so much to say on this issue (I have written a five page Biblical defense for Christians as to why they need to pull their kids out of the public school) and I am not loving my brothers and sisters in Christ by not standing firmly on God's Word in this area - I truly am not pushing my own agenda here. We parents will be held accountable for the choices we make in our children's upbringing - handing off that authority is not something to take lightly.
The problem is is that we have a false assumption that God looks at education in the same way that this world does and that the public school meets with His approval for the most part. But Jesus said that if we are not for Him than we are against Him - what category does PS education fall under? We have been led to believe that the curriculum in the ps is neutral because God has been removed - but according to this verse there is no such thing as neutrality. I have written many posts on this recently going much more in depth.
With all that said - I do not believe it is my job to convict others - only God can - my efforts apart from Him will fail - but I also want to guard my heart from using any excuses that would keep me from standing firmly for truth when He so chooses to use me in the lives of others. We have to be ever ready to speak truth in love!
I hope you don't feel like I am contradicting you - just trying to clarify that point. ( :
Blessings,
Mandi
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Jun. 29, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Daisy |
| Great post Angel, and I want to thank you for standing up for Christian parents who feel God has called them to send their kids to public school. |
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Jun. 30, 2007 - Amen |
| Posted by Kraig |
| Angel, You have said it well. As I work with more liturgical chaplains, I am amazed at the depth of meaning and symbolism found in the more liturgical churches. You know I'm SBC to the core (less so than formerly), so that's been an interesting realization for me. I have seen that same arrogance in colleges, homeschoolers, educators of all stripes (Christian and non), and parachurch organizations. It matters how we serve (can't be anti-Biblical), but most importantly, it matters WHO we serve. |
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Jun. 30, 2007 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Dedee |
| Thank you! |
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Jun. 30, 2007 - Wow.. |
| Posted by FaithfulGrace |
you said a mouth-full!
I hope to post my husband's missionary trip to Zambia, Africa this next week. I'll be referencing this entry.
In gratitude,
Linda
Ps
Like the new blog look and your trip looked like fun.
Your children are delightful! |
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Jul. 6, 2007 - good outlook |
| Posted by bubbebobbie |
I really enjoyed your look at arrogance. I giggled when you mentioned baptist because I just returned from a week at what is probably considered one of the most relevent churches around, Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in Lake Forest CA. He is known as the Purpose Driven Church, but very few know his church is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. Labels just don't fit on God's children do they?
because of Jesus, Bobbie |
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