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Sunday, February 11, 2007
An Attitude of Dishonor and Disrespect

Posted in Working Out My Salvation With Fear and Trembling

An attitude of dishonor and disrespect.  This is a serious pet peeve of mine!

I have something stuck in my craw and feel a need to share it with you all.  I hope you don’t mind.  But if you do, you don’t have to continue reading.  LOL

Years ago we used to be complimented often with things like “Oh, your children are so polite!” and “Thank you for having respectful children.  I had lost hope years ago that children anywhere were being taught respect and manners.”  Usually these comments were preceded by our boys holding a door for someone while we were going into church or a store or the children stepping aside to allow an adult to pass by, or something seemingly small and inconsequential.  I vividly remember a gentleman almost in tears when we were at a buffet style restaurant when he saw our family pray together before we ate.  I was shocked and disappointed that our simple table manners, respect for G-d, and general mannerism would be so impressive.  I am sure that many of you who read my blog have had similar experiences.  Over the years we’ve continued to receive comments and I have thanked them for their nice comments while inside being seriously disappointed in our society.

Why aren’t children being taught simple respect and honor?  Was my generation not taught?  I was.  Was my parent’s generation not taught?  I find that hard to believe.  A shocking statement made my a relative (married into the family) at one point was something along these lines “We weren’t taught that just because someone was older than us that we should treat them differently.  We were taught to treat everyone the same.”  What?  This comes from a “pastors” family.  Have they not read the Bible? 

Let me give some examples.  When a child is in school they are expected to call the teacher Mr., Mrs., Miss, or Ms.  When you encounter a police officer you call him or her “Officer --”, a judge is “You honor”, a physician is “Dr”.  Why do we do this?  It is out of respect and acknowledgment of their position.  They are not our peers in those situations, they hold authority.  And what are we to do with authority?  We are to respect authority, like it or not.  Is that not a Biblical concept too? 

Our children have all been taught that adults are to be referred to as Mr. and Mrs.  Often times the recipient of these titles is uncomfortable with their title.  “That’s my mother-in-law’s name!  Please don’t call me that.”  But our children are to respect their elders and understand that they are not their peers, that adults have a degree of authority over them.  DH or I will explain that it is a title of respect and that they are not peers of my children so they are to be referred to in a respectful manner.  Generally the other adult concedes but sometimes they flat out tell us no, to which I flat out tell them, “They are my children and will obey what we teach them.  You may teach your children whatever you like.  Ours will respect and honor you.”  Yes, it bothers me to have children refer to me by my first name.  But I can’t fault the kids for that, they’ve not been taught what my kids have been.  In all honesty there are only a few families that we know and associate with that have a similar standard as we do. 

Recently a few of our kids have requested that certain people not come to our house for dinner again until they, and I quote one of our daughters, “learn some manners and how to use them”.  This is a friend of our daughter.  Another incident is where a wife is constantly making rude comments about her husband in public settings and in front of him.  One son turned to a daughter and told her, “If that was my wife, I’d divorce her!”  He was so insulted and offended by this wifes lack of respect for her husband that he couldn’t think of any other way to describe how insulted he felt for this man.  We will continue to have friends over and have talked about how not everyone has the same standards we do - and that is their own family decision.  We need to be tolerant of others when they are different from us.  Sometimes it’s hard though.  It’s hard to be the “different” ones.  But I can’t think of very many areas in our lives where we aren’t different than most.  Even still, we are not perfect and our family standard isn't as high as some others.  We can fall into disrespectful habits and dishonor one another at times.  We are faulty and surely are not perfect.  But how is it that our family standard is still seeming to be so much higher than others?

What does this matter?  Really, impolite and rude children (and adults) are everywhere.  They have no general manners, no respect for adults or authority, and no concept of how disrespectful they are.  So what?

Know where I start to loose my patience?  When people do not understand the concept or respect or honor treat my G-d in such a way that I consider disrespectful.  I wrote the other day about the Name of G-d and touched lightly on what it means to me, after spending a few weeks studying it out and trying to draw my own line in the sand as to what I believe and where I stand.  When I am in a group of people who treat my G-d as if He is a genie in a bottle or some common man, I get offended.  When they treat Him as if He is some common thing or speak of Him with no reverence, I get irritated.  Never mind wearing His Name (reputation) in such a way as to deplete His glory and honor.  That is when I start to loose my patience. 

When one is approaching an earthly king or president, is there not protocol to follow?  Is there not respect to be shown to that individual - even if you don’t particularly like some of the things they do?  What would happen if you approached an earthly king and flippantly approached him and said, “Hey George”?  You could expect that guards would be all over you if the king himself didn’t have you taken away immediately.  How would you enter his presence then?  You would be reverent.  You would be prepared for the meeting.  You would acknowledge his greatness and refer to him by his proper title.  And after his taking time to speak with you, you would be grateful and thank him.  Is it too much to ask that we treat the King of Kings in such a way?

Yes, I have to admit that the past few months I have swallowed my insult on a regular basis around certain people because, as Proverbs says, “He who conceals an offense promotes love” and “A friend loves at all times”.  I have overlooked these sometimes seemingly small offenses for the sake of friendship, but my fuse is much shorter recently.  And since I’ve spent time searching and understanding His Name and reputation more, I find myself seemingly more intolerant of those who have little respect and honor for the G-d of Heaven, the Creator of the Universe.  I am struggling with people whose children have no concept of manners or respect for others and translate those behaviors to their treatment of G-d Most High.  I am deeply insulted that others would treat MY G-d so irreverantly.

So I write this for two reasons - one is that I need to get over myself a little and by thinking through the process I am better able to do that.  I don’t just think though, I have to process and work my fingers (sometimes it’s my mouth).  The second reason is that I am sure I am not alone in this.  Does anyone else see a need for respect in society and how the severe lack of respect and honor translate to how some people understand and treat G-d?  Does it insult anyone else?
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Sunday, February 11, 2007 - Dishonor, Disrespect, and a preference for a name

Posted by Anonymous


I have heard this conversation before and honor that you believe it to be correct. If we met I would honor you by having my children use the title of your choice, but I heartily disagree and it saddens me that what I feel is my choice, the name I prefer to hear, would not be respected.



I have been disrespected by a child calling me Mrs. J. I have been honored by a child who calls me by my first name. And vice versa.



My children are taught that the LORD has put their father and me in authority over them and we will tell them when another adult has our permission to give them direction. I do not want my children blindly following an adult. Sadly in this day and age being an adult does not mean having good judgment or good intentions.



My belief is that I should treat everyone with respect and humility regardless of age, title, gender, race or religious practices. When I was working outside the home I treated the janitor with the same respect I treated the owner of the company. And I promise the janitor treated me more like a lady and a sister in Yeshua than the boss ever did.



Everyone is a child of the Father. Praise Him that He is the judge and does not use human wisdom.



1Samuel 16:7...The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.



Your blog has been a blessing to read. I pray my words presented another view, without causing hurt.



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Sunday, February 11, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by FollowingTheAncientPaths


I agree that everyone should treat everyone with respect. That's part of the problem. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because it's not being taught and where it is being taught, it's not accepted or encouraged but in fact discouraged and ridiculed.

I am sorry you feel offended by the position our family takes. I am not offended by yours as you are entitled to your own position. I do, however, obviously disagree.

As far at G-d looking at the heart while the man looks at the outside, that is correct. It is also true that we are to take note of what comes out of the abundance of a man's heart and we are to test the fruit of the believers. It is not our place to judge a mans heart, yet we are expected to hold other believers to the standard of Scripture. Personally I believe that respecting others and respecting authority is a Scriptural position.

Blessings

BTW - your blog address came back invalid. Sorry, I tried to visit.


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Sunday, February 11, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous


You haven't offended me at all. You have such a gentle spirit, I doubt you could really do that to someone.

I do agree sadly that manners are lacking these days. We do try to teach respect in our home. It is hard when we don't receive it back out in the big world. I often must answer the, "Why do they do that, Mommy?" question.

I messed up my blog addy. I'll try again: http://ourjoyfuldays.blogspot.com/

Blessings,


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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - I agree completely!

Posted by Anonymous


Using proper titles for people and for God is the beginning of showing respect. Obviously, a child can address me as "Mrs." and still treat me with comtempt and disrespect. And one can also use God's name in vain. As with all things, true respect must come from a humble and respectful heart. Addressing an adult with a title of respect does not pressume that that person has authority over my child - it only shows that person to be older and deserving of respect.



I do agree that our culture has degraded a great deal when we lost respect for one another. When children call high school teachers by first names and when the President of the United States is openly treated with so much contempt, something is lost. I can also remember being told in the 70s that God is to be seen as my friend...that He's not a mean God...He's not scarey anymore.



What a sad thing to tell young people. The God who holds in His hand my life and all my ways is to be seen as a buddy?? The God who is a consuming fire and who hates all evildoers can be addressed in prayer as "Hey, God....". I feel awful even typing such blasphemy.



So, yes, I share your pet peeve!



--Jeannine


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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - Guilty

Posted by MoreLittleWilsons


I've been one of those parents guilty of allowing my children to use a first name with an adult.. and yet, as they've grown older, they have chosen to use the personal pronoun Mr. or Mrs with people they respect.

Again, on the sad they don't have manners thing.. yesterday I was exercising with friends and realized I'd left my water in the van. One son jumped on the situation and called to another son to go out to the van to get it for me (he was holding a friends baby or he'd have gone himself), the other son, without question or complaint, went and got it for me. I said thanks - because it's a normal thing in our household to fetch and carry for each other - we serve each other - but my friend was amazed that my 10yos would do such a nice thing. She's got a 10yos - doesn't he do things like that for her? - that's what amazes me!

I'm glad you used the word protocol tonight Lisa, I've been searching for that word for 2 days. I've been trying to explain to two ladies about the "protocol" of approaching the throne of Adonai - but the word escaped me. That's what I love about using the siddur, we approach in a form or Holy Protocol.


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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - <i>Untitled Comment</i>

Posted by withHim4ever


Wow, you hit the nail right on the head!!!! I have been thinking I am the only one on this issue, I'm so glad I stopped by. I have only one child, and the labels are horrible, for an only child who is polite from some people.
The new generation is also lacking some good deeds, some examples: Respect your neighbors things, help the elderly, be merciful of others time..... We have had a ton of snow here in IN, I have three neighbors who are retired and getting there in age, I also have three neighbors who happen to have teenage boys who are tall and strong ball players, I am yet to see one of them offer to shovel any of these older widows front drive way. My husband went twice to help them, whatever happened to boys taking responsibilities? Well, I guess I used your post to let out some of my frustrations.
The name of the Holy One, the King of the Universe is a huge issue among Messianics, we have friends who have trashed His Holy Name.
Very good post!


Edited by withHim4ever on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 at 6:34 AM


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