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Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Amanda's Discussion on The Hedges of Thorns Chapters 1-3

Posted in The Hedge of Thorns by John Hatchard

 

I am all about first impressions and when I first picked up this book and read a few chapters, I was bored. I am not one for scenery and I really thought this book would not be too exciting or interesting. Ask Mom… Well I have learned it is not always the best thing to look at first impressions. After reading the first chapter, I was interested.

It was nice that he described his surroundings. That way we could get a picture of what his life was like.

I really loved the way he shared his love for his sister. I think that the way his father brought her to him, like she was a little precious present to be had.  I had always wished I had an older brother. Girls have a need to be loved and protected and I think big brothers really help in that.

One thing that really was amazing to me was that his father sold one of their cows for a bible. I was surprised that he didn’t already have one, him being a laypastor. 

I was not impressed with was the fact that his father was a minister and he didn’t teach him most of his Bible learning. I love it tho that he did get John and Bell together each nite and teach them about the Word, but that was only after they had met Mrs. Waring.

From reading just the first three chapters I get the feeling that the title of this book is going to be shown to be something that we don’t really think about when we think of “hedge of thorns”.

I agree with what Mom said about them going to school. If they had never been going to school, then they would have never gone past the hedge and thus saved themselves from much pain. It is a bittersweet situation. Yes, they should be educated, but at what price?? Obviously, his desire to get over the hedge exceeded his desire to go to school and learn.

Now about the hedge… when he described the hedge of parents, did you get a visual on that?? I did. My first thought or what I pictured was of me walking down a lane and above me my parents leaning towards each other from each side making a “hedge” about me. You may not be able to picture that, but I can see it very clearly in my mind’s eye.

John really got the point of what parents are on earth for. They are our hedge sent from heaven to keep us on the right path and guide on it.

John really played on Bell’s love for him. He knew that she would probably do anything he told her. He betrayed her. She trusted him to keep her safe and secure and show her the right way and he didn’t.

Something I have learned as the oldest in a family is that being the oldest you set the tone most of the time for your sibling’s attitude and disobedience or obedience. It is a very hard job to be the oldest. You have to watch yourself in everything you do and say.

Now, I know that Bell is probably only about 5 or 6, maybe, but if I had been her I would have just run home and gotten away from John. She obviously knew that they were not supposed to get through the hedge with what had happened with Mrs. Waring.

And again, like Mom said… why did he feel so strongly that he needed to get through the hedge?? Why was it so important that he get through??

When he was describing the hedge and what was on the other side, I did not get the feeling that it was something he coveted. I just felt that it was something he was curious about. I wonder what turned it into something that he just HAD to get through. Had someone told him something?? I mean, you don’t just want something that bad over nite.

What do you think of his having cut through the hedge?? When did he do that?? Was it before or after Mrs. Waring had already told him not to mess with the hedge?? How far do you think he had cut into it??  And can you imagine little Bell having to climb into the hedge?? It was probably at least 9 feet deep.

What really struck me was that John pushed her through when she wouldn’t go. He actually pushed her into the thorns that stabbed her face. He shoved her into them.

Obviously his love for finding out what was on the other side of the hedge was stronger than his love and caring for Bell. What did you think would happen when he pushed her?? Did you think she would fall all the way through??

That must have really been hard when he realized that when he pushed her that she stopped moving. I wonder what was going through his mind when he realized what he had done. Was he inwardly smacking himself for being so selfish as little Bell didn’t move??

I can’t imagine what was going through his head when he pulled her out. Not knowing if she was alive or dead. What would you have done when you saw Bell’s face like it was?? Would you have left it or pulled the thorns out and tried to stop the bleeding?? I would have.

So Bell is severely injured and he picks her up and carries her the 2 mile stretch to his house. Can you imagine carrying a little 5 year old as a 10 year old 2 mi?? That would be hard work.

Now, from reading this book, you don’t get a very deep picture of John’s mother. So being a mom, what would have been going through your mind when you see your son carrying your limp daughter’s body, screaming?? I would probably be freaking out. Running out to them, screaming, scared to death.

So John walks to the house by himself probably in the depths of despair, kicking himself for doing that to Bell.

John seems like the kinda of boy that would be willing and eager for his punishment. So how do you think not being punished made him feel?? Being the oldest I can totally understand what he is feeling. He is being made to watch his sister suffer for his disobedience and selfishness. I have gone through that before and it is NOT the best thing. It tears at you, you wish you could go back in time and redo what you did.

Then when his father comes home and he is waiting for the tongue lashing and it never comes because his father is too heartbroken over what happened. That is really something. Obviously his father knew that it would be more beneficial for John have to wait and see him mourn over his daughter than to admonish John for his sins.

Well… these are my thoughts on the book. What do you think happens next?? I stopped myself from reading further because I didn't want to get too far ahead... haha. I would probably read the whole book in one sitting.

Amanda
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DISCUSSION: Chapters 4-7: We will be reading chapters 4- 7 and discussing it next Wednesday. You may read it as you wish, but please don't include it in your discussion this week; I hate spoilers! :)

DISCUSSION: NOTE: Please feel free to post your discussion here in the comments section. Post it on your blog too, by all means, but it will be easier to discuss it right here on this blog. I will be getting a Mr. Linky for you to link any other posts or projects you may do, but the discussion will be great in the comments section! I am not sure if Amanda and I will continue to do 2 different posts, itjust worked out better this way this time, but please post your discussion on either.  Thanks!

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - My Discussion

Posted by srostollan

I wasn't sure where to put it, but my discussion is on my blog.

http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/inspired/431576/

Happy Thanksgiving!
Stephanie@inspired

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I am grabbing Stephanie's discussion. Thank you Stephanie. We all see the same things with such different insight. Thank you for yours! -J

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Here is Stephanie's discussion:
I realized that today was discussion day for the HSB Literary Club. I have a few moments in the midst of Thanksgiving preparations to share my thoughts about the book.

I was going to read the story with the whole family and then remember some of what I had previously read. I felt that it would be too heavy for my younger ones. So Monday night I read it with my oldest.

I am touched throughout the reading at the humility of John Carrol. He is so grateful for the love and training he received from his parents. You can feel the depth of emotion the memories of his childhood evoke. Little Bell is truly a gift he cherished. I loved the visual that the words gave me. I could feel and appreciate the description of the life he was living.

I questioned the absolute brokenness he felt at not being able to see through the hedge. The longing that he had to see what was on the other side. He was so focused on his goal that he developed a deviousness that was unrecognizable. I relate that to struggles with sin that I have had in the past. The end goal became more important than anything. And then to bring someone along with me made the sin easier to accomplish. Not the act of doing in, but the justification of it.

I was gripped by the agony he faced after committing the sin. Having been there, I could feel the pit in my stomach of realizing there was no turning back. What was done, could not be undone. The utter hopelessness hit a little close to home.

I have chosen to be honorable and not read any further until instructed to. My is that a hard thing. This would not have been my choice to stop here.



Edited by hsbliteraryclub on Nov. 22, 2007 at 3:18 AM

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Dear Stephanie~

Posted by JacqueDixonSoulRestES

I hope you don't mind my pasting your discussion on here.
I think we had a lot of the same feelings as we read this. I like the way you said, "I could feel the pit in my stomach of realizing there was no turning back. What was done, could not be undone." That is the feeling I was trying to describe in my post too. I felt it too... as a memory of, "Oh Lord, what have I done? If only I could turn back the time..."
But, we cannot.

As Amanda and I were writing out our discussions, I think we came to the conclusion that we could have just discussed each chapter separately because they are each so full. Of course, that would have been a little silly, so I had to break it somewhere. I guess I have seen too many cliffhangers. Sorry if it bothered you too terribly much. I totally understand. I think my children said, "Is that all?" But we had so-o much to discuss, so we stopped. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
Have a great Thanksgiving!!
blessings, J

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by JEANNIE78

1:Although after given some hint at to what the book was about through research and what not, I found that YES the title very much as to do with the writing of the book. I looked at it in very much a Spiritual sense of ones walk, I think His life and very much my own life could be called The Hedge of Thorns, is it not the Lord that tells us to walk along a narrow path, wouldnt then be considered that what could be on the outside of that narrow path a hedge of thorns to which we would not want to be poked by if we dare(gasp) decide to go "off roading".

2: The first picture that came to my mind was an old english town, probably set some where in a valley. I could totally envision the flowers and the smells and the look of the home he grew up in. I believe he did a fairly good job of describing his home life.

3: I think in my mind he had a somewhat prodigal child relationship with his parents, it became clear for me when he would describe the way his parents tried to raise him,"I was brought up; and every means were used." I am guessing he was saying that because from the get go he was quit the strong willed child.

4: I think the relationship between the Author and his sister is very much a beloved one, in that they are extremely close. I believe they are best of friends, and I dont mean that in any way but a true compliment, because I see my own two children are the exact same way( they are almost 5 years apart). From the time my son was born, my daughter and him have been inseperable.Unfortunatly I cant say that in regards to my own 4 other siblings that I have. :(

5:I found John's father to be one of great importance, he was a hard worker that obviously found the WORD of God to be important, I was very moved (as well as my 2 children) to see him do what was necessary to obtain a Bible. Now I know there have been thoughts out there as far as why didnt he have a bible already....I am sure there were many reasons, back then Normally either the very wealthy owned one or just the Father/Priest had the only bible, and with him being a Parish Clerk( which I believe was a keeper of the monies and such He may not have owned one because He actually may not have really been the one to lead the church in any way.( I believe Catholicism was very rampant at that time, any anyone who studies those types of things, only the clergy were usually the ones who had the bibles).

6: I have faced countless temptations, I also know that in this life I will face many more, The other day while listening to a radio broadcast i was in thought about how it is so true, Being saved through Christ does not make one perfect, or that no temptation will ever come at them. It is on GOD's Grace that HE will forgive us, when we truly repent.

7: Temptation is so relevant in today's world, What was once considered bad/sin is now good. What was once good and holy is considered bad. Look at the way we view sex, men, women, children, the lust of having the perfect Christmas by getting what they really want.....more toys, gadgets and gizmo's. Movies promote premarital sex and babies outside of marriage. Its really sad, and book are being censored and anything Godly or Holy is brought against you. Very scary and dark times!

8: I am not sure what a child thinks when given the temptation but I think the importance for John and even his sister to know whats out there is to better equip them with the power to stand strong to know that there are dangers that maynot be seen, to better teach them on how to handle the dangers of the world.

( am skipping questions)
11: I really had empathy for both John and his sister, his sister has much trust in her brother, not just in love but for the safety of her well being, and I think that when she was cut up from the thorns and her brother realized the pain he had caused her, and now quite possibly the damage in trust, he felt really bad. Even if just for a moment while they are young He truly repented and realized that there is a consequence for every choice we make ....good or bad. The damage done to his sister not only reflects in her outward looks but it will also affect the way she may or may not get a husband.

This book is so good, and i am once again glad to be doing this with you all. Very good question, and everyones take on them and the book are interesting!

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Monday, November 26, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by totustuus

My book is still on the way. I will let you know when I receive it and catch up with you guys. :-)

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Sunday, December 2, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by drewsfamilytx

I cannot imagine walking 2 miles with such a tangible consequence to MY sin! To blatantly and obviously hurt someone that I love dearly... It would be too much.

It makes me wonder what consequences for my sins are down the road for not only myself, but for my children. May God have mercy on them and let it stop with me.

Oh, and Amanda, I'm glad you kept reading! I know with Ishmael it took a full 8 chapters before I saw promise in the book. And then I couldn't put it down!

~Marshie

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