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Nov. 27, 2006

What In Tarnation Is Teaching the Trivium?

I finely got the book "Teaching the Trivium" by the Bluedorns.  Now I get why everyone thinks so highly of them!  Wow! 

 

I do have to tell you that I probably would not have gotten this book at this point in my life if it hadn't been for the influence of friends.  One had it and was willing to lend it (ending w/me having to have my own copy 'cause it's so good!) and the other who hasn't been homeschooling as long as I, who got it and was going to read it first.  No way THAT was going to happen without me!  :)

 

If you are now expecting a full out review, here it is:  get it, and read it quick!  There you have it!

 

If you really want to know my thoughts on what I read, here are just a couple (so as not to bog you down and wear out my computer, at the same time!):

 

I have been very confused with the hype and whispers regarding "classical" education.  Most homeschoolers are the worst!  To me, classical was not really a good thing--it was incorporating humanistic history and well...filth.  I've struggled with my shock of trying to re-program my brain to understand that this couldn't possibly mean what dear homeschoolers were talking about, and yet Charlotte Mason type stuff seemed to point that way.  Greek mythology (totally contrary to Biblical understanding, among others--eeeww!)  Then I read this book.  Hello!!!  Teaching the Trivium is teaching classical style from a Biblical perspective.  Got it! Finally...

 

I never understood the whole grammar, dialectic, rhetoric thing.  As they re-define it using Biblical terms:  knowledge, wisdom and understanding, I get it finally (of course my horrid ps education translates this elementary, middle school, and high school--though not accurately---bad, bad Mommy!)  And their use of scripture--a LOT of scripture--was very exciting to me.  It was as though the Bible was the text and answers, and they were filling in the questions.  Hey wait...isn't that what we are supposed to be doing with ALL our studies??!!

 

A couple of details immediately popped out to me.  One is that we really need to focus more on character (Bible) and discipline (hello?) before age 10.  In the companion seminar (downloadable from their website for free) she asked certain questions that went something like this:  Are you pleased with the discipline of your children?  Do they respond the first time they are asked?  Etc.  Sorry I don't remember them all.  Then she went on to say, that if you can answer no to any one of these questions (as I would to both the above), you have more work to do in this area.

 

Time does run out.  The mold 'em age is generally before age 10.  The big plus, plus, plus for us is the no TV thing for the past year and a half.  Now we need to curb the videos!  The attitude and response to requests needs a bit of fine tuning and the understanding of responsibility needs to be put more into practice.  I'm sure I'll think of more later!

 

Another thing that flat out hit me was the selection of books to read.  I've often gone by (and thought I was doing SO great with it) the notion that anything old, or well-written, with no crud, bad attitudes, etc., was worthwhile.  For instance, the Hardy Boys.  I've collected these for my son and I've thought them to be classics. Well, I'm not so sure now that an abundance of these does anything for his thinking, reasoning, and understanding of Biblical things (HIStory!).  Maybe in moderation.  But then, we're at that point where son enjoys reading and is selecting his own books.  I'm seeing more a need to limit his selection. 

 

They also introduced the idea of teaching the classical languages: Latin, Greek and Hebrew.  Before I would have run screaming from the room, with my hair on fire and my fingers in my ears, and with much weeping and gnashing of teeth!  Now I get it and I'm EXCITED about it!!!  You heard me right!  Me, who attempted to teach my kindergartner a worthless language like French, that he would more than likely never use and is just yucky, want's to teach Latin, Greek and Hebrew (and learn them myself!).  Of course, not all at once!

 

Lastly (for now!), I was a bit surprised (and I'm still not quite so sure how I feel) about not teaching subjects (other than grammar--phonics, reading--and the Bible) before age 10.  They say children can't handle the info and it's a waste of time because it will have to be re-taught, or is better taught when they are of a stronger age for understanding.  I believe they are talking about things like science, geography, and MATH

 

They shared on the tape that their son, whom they started with math at age 5, struggled with it till 10, then got it all right away.  Now, my son started at 5 and has had times of struggle, but he's definately getting it and benefiting from it, so I don't know about that.  Also, he really loves history.  Then there's science--we're near to finishing Astronomy and he has enjoyed it and done well, but whethen he's really retained all he should is questionable.  I figured we definately would do it again sometime.  So does that mean we wasted our time?  They seem to say yes, only because there are other things that our time would be better spent doing.  Like art and music.

 

I'm sooooo arts and crafts deficient.  I don't enjoy the mess and I try to control things too much.   I would love for them to have music lessons, but they are expensive (though I can teach piano, I don't enjoy it and haven't made it a priority--sorry Dad!).  Oh boy!  Re-thinking my teaching plans is hard! 

 

I do agree with just about everything they say.  A lot of it (like the logic stuff) went right over my ps pee-brain, but I have hopes that with further reading I can rectify that. 

 

Sometimes all this homeschooling stuff is overwhelming, but mostly it's just amazing!  God always gives us what we need, when we need it, including introducing new concepts and ideas about how and what we teach!  I'm listening and praying--taking the initiative and leaving the results to God!

 

Oh, and I'm not completely done with the book yet.  More to come!

 

 


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Nov. 27, 2006 - Untitled Comment

Posted by hsmomof2
I love the book too. It took me a few years, and a couple of readings, to really get into it. I disagree with some of it too, though. History is very important to us, science too - but we don't do it in a terribly formal fashion. I think that's the difference - developing the interest and hunger to learn more. More formal studies can come later.

We also do read and enjoy mythology, including the Greek and Roman myths, etc. This is western civ, as another Christian homeschooler remarked to me recently, and I think it's important if kept in perspective. Just another area in which people disagree.

But I am very curious what "filth" you mean when talking about typical classical education?? :-)
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Nov. 27, 2006 - Untitled Comment

Posted by eclecticeducation
Thanks for sharing! I have not read the book and have been curious about it. As for not teaching science, history and math until 10, I really disagree with that. I think you have to evaluate your children for yourself, then make that decision. I know my son would go crazy without those subjects because he loves them so much and I would put his knowledge of American History up against most highschool grads. He just turned 10 this summer and most of it he learned before he was 10. He's told me things I didn't know and I got strait A's in college American History. He maybe doesn't understand the why's of what happened, but he sure does try. I would have done him a major disservice if I would have not let his learn this. What is good for one child is not always good for all. But what you were saying about the rest of the book sounded pretty good and I should try to read it sometime.
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Nov. 27, 2006 - To correct an error in my earlier comment...

Posted by hsmomof2
sorry. I wasn't clear about history and science. I don't think the Bluedorns discourage teaching science and history, etc., just not in a formal way. Reading lots of great books, putting pictures up on a timeline are all things I think they approve of. :-) Somewhere in the "ten things to do before age ten" section there is mention of a history notebook, I believe. Just thought I should clear that up, and I couldn't edit my comment!
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Nov. 29, 2006 - Hi Melissa

Posted by belindaletchford
Thanks for the review of that book. I have shied away from classical for a few reasons though I new that the Bluedorns addressed it from a biblical perspective. The more I read the more I think I do favour a Classical approach in many ways though very much through a lifestyle approach. I think I may read this book too.

My thoughts on not introducing these formal studies like history and science is that is more a case of how much can you fit in and still spend time building your relationship and work on character. I don't think it matters to introduce them to subject matter, especially if they have a love of learning and therefore enjoying it, but to keep their days in balance where you are training their character and they still have time to play.

I have just enjoyed Kerry Beck's book, Raising Leaders not Followers. She is addressing the issues of teaching our children to think. I particularly like the breakdown she gave: Character, Love of Learning, Transition to Independent Studies, Independent Studies. This has been a true progression for my children and in writing it this way helps me keep my priorities straight for each individual child.

Love
Belinda
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Nov. 29, 2006 - Good Books

Posted by belindaletchford
I know what you mean about learning how to choose good books. I do think that kids need some down time and books like the Hardy Boys probably fall into that category.

I have just tried to read Arabian Nights with my daughter, Jess. We were reading it independently and planning to discuss it together. I was intrigued with the whole book as it was very weird (Different). But Jess just couldn't go on with it. She just saw murder after murder and lots of weird stuff. So we have let that go.

We are currently reading Peter Pan thinking it was a "Classic". But I am not so sure about it. The attitudes that the children have towards adults and parents in particular is disturbing. My kids haven't picked it up - as it is so opposite to their own thinking they are just gliding over it. But as a parent choosing a book I think I would give it a miss. And yet I was so sure it was a great book.

I guess there is always going to be personal preferences come into deciding about a book isn't there. I really appreciate Honey for a Child's Heart plus the Teen one too and yet there are books recommended in there that I have just put a cross through so that the kids know that in our family we just won't be going there.

Love
Belinda
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Dec. 18, 2006 - Untitled Comment

Posted by mamaduso
Thanks for the review. I have struggled with whether or not to get into those books. I wonder how it differs from The Well Trained MInd. Have you read that one yet? About reading, my daughter loves to read but struggles with books that are not fun. I haven't been doing too well lately in providing good books for her to read lately. After the holiday we will get back on that. I need a good list. I have the robinson curriculum with many good books but many for very boy books and she doesn't like them. She is very girly. Well, I just may have to get the book and read it.
Susan
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