Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by tatertots |
Thanks! I will tell your sis happy birthday on the eighteenth. I'll say birthdays are fun, I LOVE them! I really like watching little kids have birthdays, their faces just light up:-). Well, got to go. Love yah!
Emily |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Hello again, Jocelyn: |
| Posted by totustuus |
I enjoyed reading you post. I think being a "Keeper-at-Home" is a beautiful calling for us as women (or...almost women). But, I also think that...when necessary, a woman can go out into the workforce. There are struggling families out there who are trying to raise their children, and the only way for them to do that (temporarily) is with a double income. But, I know that's not what God's original plan for the family is. It's sad when that has to happen. That's why we, as Christ's body -- the Church, need to support families in those situations.
I also don't think that it's the only calling for women. There are some who are called to live the single life. Such as missionaries who go out and feed the poor, nurse the sick, and teach the children...they are acting as "mothers" to the people that they are serving, and dedicating their lives to Christ as His "spouse".
Yes, being a wife and mother is what God created us to be. It's sad when women think that their potential is found in having a career and making money. They miss out on so much...and they often lose sight of their femininity.
As for taking verses out of context, yes, it is sad when people do that. But, I could also point out instances where Protestants do the same thing. Many times it is completely unintentional. What I'm trying to say is, please don't stereotype about Catholicism. I know that probably wasn't your intent...but please don't get an idea about what Catholicism is just by looking at people who take Scripture out of context. That's not the true face of the Church. The best thing to do is draw conclusions by looking at those who are most faithful to the Church. They will represent the faith better than someone who isn't in full sync. And I need to remember to do the same thing with Protestantism. :)
I probably should have looked up the verse you were talking about before I put in my two cents...but is it possible that the verse wasn't out of context? Jesus often spoke in parables to reflect what the Kingdom of God was like. I don't know if that's the case with this verse, but just keep that in mind.
And this comment has gotten WAY too long!!!! LOL I'd better stop now. ;)
Advent blessings,
Sylvia |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Jocelyndixon |
No, I don't think that a woman is suppose to be single and do the work as a misionary. God instructs women to stay home, with their children their home and to care for it for their husbands. he said it right there in Psalm. If God calls a woman to be a missionary, then he will call her husband or her father too. Deborah was, really, the only woman mentioned in the Bible to be single. She was not out in the world. People simply came to her for adivce, knowing she was filled with God, she didn't put herself out there.
Paul did say that in this time it was better for him to be single so he could go and do the work of God, but it's not for a woman to be single. God made woman out of man and she is to be with man as one flesh. Her husband is to rule over her as God told Eve and therefore a woman should have a husband to keep her in line and to lead her as Christ leads the church.
Thanks for comment!
Mára mesta,
Edhël ó Loriën
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by sharla88 |
thanks i liked doing that tag. it was fun but you have to admit my last name is funny! I agree with you in the aspect that a woman should stay home, but if a family is having a hard time i dont see anything wrong with a woman working as long as the man is also.
ttyl
sharla |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Jocelyndixon |
The church, the body of CHrist, should be taking care of familes and helping them so the woman doesn't have to get a job, unfortuanetly we don't have too many churches like that today.
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Earthling |
Hey,
No problem linking me. ;)
Sorry you couldn't see the video, it was pretty funny. It made a play on the Navy defeating the Black Nights of Army at the Two Towers of Philadelphia and Baltimore, and now it was time for the Return of the Kings, etc.
I like the Psalms verse....but again, it's saying that the Lord made woman to keep house. My opinion is that Keeping House would mean keeping your house first, as your main priority, and after that, you may have time for other things. It's like with kids--they do their chores, they get play time. Now this isn't the same thing at all, but the concept is kind of the same.
I do think God calls some people--women included--to be single. BUT very few of them. Look at Anna, she chose to remain a widow, and devoted herself to service.
Anyway, nice "talking" to you! :) Hope your family is doing well. |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by HeartnSoul |
Deep subject matter! You are SMART to wait for your Prince and make sure he believes the same thing, b/c those differences do NOT work out over time. (from experience!) In my case my over controlling MIL put pressure on me to work and DH wanted to please her. Most of our financial problems stemmed from me buying products for inventory and things related to my working. I know you are talking about working outside the home, but you are right in saying some "make money" even at home because they feel they need to show they have value in "secular society". It's a tough habit to break, I have to constantly remind myself that I am accepted and loved by God.
I'm sure you've read "The Three Weavers" (Vision Forum), but I'll add it here for others who read these comments... GREAT book about purity and waiting for the right one.
Anyway, its good to see you studying the Word, and iron sharpens iron so when you bring it to the discussion table we all can prune anything not bearing good fruit, and strengthen our faith in the redeeming Work of Christ, which has already been done for us. Placing faith in man-made doctrines or opinions is never wise, which I know you know but am writing to encourage those who are young in faith.
Thanks for stopping by my blog and leaving a comment :) I just shared a narrative poem for Advent candle lighting on the HeartnSoul blog yesterday.
blessings
Denise T |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Thanks for your reply! |
| Posted by totustuus |
Jocelyn,
I understand what you're saying. But, God also said, "It is not good for man to be alone", and he made woman. Does that mean that men can't be single? God specifically said that a man shouldn't be alone, so he created woman to fill that gap. That makes it seem like a man should get married no matter what. But, that's not the case...as Paul points out. I think it can be the same with women.
You're right that a man completes a woman. But, a woman also completes a man. That doesn't mean that neither of them can be single.
What do you mean by Deborah "not being out in the world"? *goes to find that passage in Judges...* |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by giftedgirl |
I agree with you that women should be keepers at home; especially if they have children. However, there are some situations in life when it is nessecary for the wife to work. A few years ago my Daddy got laid off from work. We searched and searched, but there was absolutley no work for him, no job where he would do well. So Mama became a cashier at Wal-Mart. She only worked there for three months; at that point in time Daddy found work and she quit. But does that mean she was wrong in working? I don't think so. God provided her with a job, and a paycheck. It was a very hard time for all of us, but we made it through.
In a perfect world where husbands never lost their jobs, or died, or became sick, then there would be no cause for a married woman to work. But there are times when it's nessecary. Like if a wife becomes a widow. She should be supported by family and church members. But that doesn't mean she will be. In that case there is a need for her to work, in order to support herself and children if she has them. Or, what if the husband tells the wife to work? Isn't it God's command that she "follow his lead"? To say no, she would be disobeying her husband outright.
I don't think this can be set in stone, as an absolute. Some things are absolute. Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, etc. But I don't think this can be set as an absolute.
One more thing. You said you can't take a verse out of context. Yet how many people have been saved by hearing John 3:16? One verse. If we can't take a verse out of context, then we can't take a chapter out of a book, or a book out of the Bible.
~Becca
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by giftedgirl |
I re-read my comment, and I realized that I should clarify something: I agree with you, you should not twist a verse around, or use one line of a three line verse to back up your theory or support your actions. What I'm saying is that you can't say that to use one verse in the way it was written is wrong. We as Christians shouldn't use the Bible to start fights or prove someone wrong, just for the sake of proving them wrong. But in some cases we need the verse or chapter to "prove" something.
This may have been exactly what you were saying. I just wanted to clarify what I was saying, so no one thought I was disagreeing with you in an area where I was actually agreeing with you.
~Becca |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by laurenkjoyce |
Thanks for commenting!! OH WOW it is cold...I hate the cold. I never knew the bible said that...very useful info....THANKS FOR POSTING IT!!!
until later
cya, lauren
p.s. All the women in my home don't have jobs and stay home most of the day...unless we're shopping or something. I wonder if the Bible says anything about shopping??? lol |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - So......... |
| Posted by onedaymore |
So, Are you saying that I can't go and be a director?(for example)
What if I wasn't married.
There is something that ticks me off. I hate it when people say:
'wemon can wear the pants too!' I do not agree with that at all.
grace |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Free2bme |
Hey if you go back and read the chapters about the mighty prophetess Deborah you'll see they name her husband.His name is Lappidoth. She is a hero of the faith showing that women can be and are used by God.
Hey, a question. What if the woman is single with little kids, she has to go out to work or they'll be homeless and starving. I know the church should help women in those situations but if you're honest you'll know most churches nowaday don't do that.What then?
Talk to you soon!
Deb |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Ringbearer |
Well, I was just stopping by to say, "may you have a lovely day."
Thanks for your e-mail. I will be responding to you as soon as I can.
With you on the Quest,
Frodo |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Just thought of one! |
| Posted by totustuus |
| Free2bme is right...Deborah was married, but Mary Magdalene was single, was she not? |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Thanks |
| Posted by A10B8CM6 |
| Hey, thanks for posting on my blog. Actually, I would love to stay at home and not go to PS at all, but...my parents think it's the only way to learn about real life is be in the school system. So, I teach myself when I can, sometimes I can't like today. I didn't know that verse existed. You and I seem to think alike, so I added you as a friend. May the Lord Bless You today. |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by mandygrace |
| That's another lovely post. I'm glad you share this vision too. :-) |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Would like to clarify a couple things... |
| Posted by Jocelyndixon |
Would like to clarify a couple things...
First off, I know that , in this time and age, there will be women who will think that they must go and get a job because 1. their husband’s doesn’t have a job or can’t work, 2. they are a single parents and have no other way to support their kids and 3. she was called to serve.
If you read in Genesis 38. It’s the story of Judah and Tamar. Tamar was Judah’s daughter-in-law and her husband died, leaving her to fend for herself so what did she do. She married the second son and then he died. Judah promises her his 3rd son once he's old enough. She says ok and then goes and, quote, “dwelt in her father’s house” Why does she go back home? Because she wasn’t under the protection of her husband anymore so she went back to her father, she didn’t go live by herself and wait. Tamar knew that she should be under the protection of a man. I’m sure you know the rest of the story…
In the Bible, if a woman was widowed her family or her husband’s family would care for her - period.
And, if you are a single parent or if your husband doesn’t have a job, well, I have one question: Where's your faith? Are you lacking faith that God, the almighty creator, can take care of you and your family. Can't God can’t supply all your needs?
I’m not saying that every woman in America or the whole world should drop what their doing and run for home, because I have to be realistic – but the women who know this to be true but make excuses to have a job – like “I’m a single mom” or “my husband doesn’t have a job” – you should consider that if God says in the Bible that the woman is to keep house then doesn’t he have the power to make sure you have everything you need?? Even if it’s getting an anonymous check in the mail, God will provide for you and your family. God provided for Ruth – he provided a relative who owned field in which she could gather grain and also a husband for her.
As Becca said, “in a perfect world“, but there is no prefect world, but there is a God. If you believe the Bible, then you believe it ALL the way through. You don't believe something based on your situation. It’s not a circumstantial faith.
My mistake on Deborah, I knew she was married - and yes, MM was single but she was a prostitute (ahem) before Christ, what do you expect? and she was with the Disciples and for a time, Jesus.
Anyway, as I am not going to change yours minds, you aren't going to change mine, so let's keep the peace and not argue.
I will say no more, Handmaiden of the Lord,
Edhël ó Loriën
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Dec. 4, 2006 - Rim hennaid! |
| Posted by totustuus |
Thanks, Jocelyn, for the good discussion...I could go on, but from your last post it looks like you'd rather not. ;) I'd probably be content to sit around and talk about stuff like this all day...it's so stimulating for me (oddly enough)!
Umm...and I hope you didn't take offense at any of my other posts. I was just trying to spur discussion on the subject. I'm not angry or anything like that...come to think of it, my best friends are those that sit around debating philosophy with me! LOL
Oh, and I've got an HTML question for you...I don't have time to go into it all now, but I'll get back to on it. I actually set up a test blog...just to learn HTML on my own, not to make a template or anything. But now I'm actually thinking that I want to re-design my template and I need some help with it. If you don't mind. :)
Le hannon ad lin, no galu govad gen!
~Sylvia |
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Dec. 4, 2006 - I agree |
| Posted by precious |
I agree completely with you! Woman should be KAH. But I don't think it is wrong for women to have a job. With all the technology of today it makes being a KAH alot easier. So I think its okay for women to do both. Thank you for sharing those scriptures.
Sincerly,
Heide
P.S. Thanks for leaving Haylee a comment. She was really excited!
P.P.S. Happy Holidays |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - Hi |
| Posted by alaska0girl |
This post is so encouraging!!! We all need to stand together and encourage one another to take a stand for Truth, life and family!!! :)
Alycia |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by pcboy |
| Well, I'm not a girl, but I agree with you completely! It is a mans duty to work, and a woman's, to keep house. Thanks for the comment , I'll probably be posting soon! |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by giftedgirl |
Jocelyn ~
I agree with you, but I have slightly different views. This is more of a personal subject, I think, which cannot be set in stone. Besides, if everyone did like the Bible says, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I don't want this to be a cause for an argument, however, so I'll say no more. We just have to agree to disagree.
~Becca |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - My Input |
| Posted by |
I know that this is kinda’ a girl discussion but (and its always the but’s that get you in trouble) I’ll put in my two sense…
The proverbs 31 woman is a good example of work a woman can do. First she takes care of the family, and then when she is finished with that she works from the home. The bible says in proverbs 31: 24 “She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes.” This is acceptable; you can make things and sell them outside the home!
Titus 2: 3-5 does say “Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.”
God made the male to provide and the female to be a helpmeet. If the woman works outside the home the rolls are reversed the male is the helpmeet and the female is the provider. People are not meant to tell God to reverse the rolls. Another thing is that god inspired the people who wrote the bible. If we say that Paul does not know what he’s talking about then we can say that everyone else in the bible doesn’t either.
Tenna' telwan Namaarie! (Until later farewell!)
Blogboy
Edited by BlogBoy on Dec. 5, 2006 at 9:37 PM |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by Jocelyndixon |
Becca, I will say that the Bible does said in 1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
You can do whatever you want, for all things are lawful unto you and you have a free will to do so because god gave us that free will, but not all things are edifying or holy. You won't go to hell if you don't stay home, I know this.
Just like if I read HP, I wouldn't go to hell for that since I don't belive it but it's not edifying to me or my Spirit.
I choose to do what God leads me to by staying home, caring for my house, children and my husband. I choose to be a Proverbs 31 woman for my price is far greater then rubies.
and to clarify this: Women are loved and are worth just as much as men to God and to me, I truly beleive that in every aspect.
Handmaiden of the Lord,
Edhël ó Loriën
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Dec. 5, 2006 - TO BLOG BOY! |
| Posted by |
I agree with you %100. Especially the last part...
and I think being single is fine, but as long as you're not if eministic and independent. I will be single but under my father's roof until my husband comes.
Jocelyn
Edited by Jocelyndixon on Dec. 7, 2006 at 2:54 PM |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - Untitled Comment |
| Posted by doglvr |
| Hi! I haven't typed to you in a while. That was a great post. I enjoyed reading it! |
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Dec. 5, 2006 - I TOTALLY Agree... |
| Posted by rjdjohn316 |
I TOTALLY agree with you on that one, sis. Women should stay home with or without children to "Keep house" as you put it. I'm glad you are going to the Word of God to look for these things! It's great that you turn to Him for help.
I like the new colors you put on your blog, and thank you for helping me (fix) mine. I think what you did looks great... besides the new picture... I would have prefered a different one instead. But it looks great!
Love you very much, and a comment is always welcome, if you have the time of course, I know how busy you are with your novel and all, but perhaps you could take a few moments and write me a comment... please...
Your sis,
Rachel |
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Dec. 6, 2006 - Hey! |
| Posted by mh530 |
| Hey!How are you doing?I am fine.I like your post.I have to go.I am talking to some friends on another blog to. |
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Dec. 6, 2006 - Hey |
| Posted by JesusLovesU |
Sorry that I have not commented until now!
Mom is doing okay. The midwife came by today and did a check up. Things are starting to progress. The little one should be born in the next 2-3 weeks. I think we all are starting to get really excited. Yes, my mom is having another homebirth.
Britta |
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Dec. 6, 2006 - ~ I Sincerely Agree! ~ |
| Posted by SincerelyAmanda |
Oh - I could write forever about this topic!
I think that your post is right on. Did you see the post that I made with excerpts from Jennie Chancey's article? She spoke very well on how GOD calls for women to live - both married and single. We simply are not to strike out into the world as men. We have a different calling to influence the world for CHRIST's glory.
It is evident from the many comments spoken quickly regarding your post that this topic has been turned into such a large controversy since history's tide turned. Sometimes it is downright ridiculous.
If you ever read Plato's Republic you'll see where the Greco-Roman world view opened its philisophical doors to feminism. It is very contradictory to the Biblical World View. That has become the dominating political standpoint in the Western World ever since.
I need to go now. Keep up the excellent posts!
GOD BLESS,
~Amanda~ |
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Dec. 7, 2006 - Hi, |
| Posted by Canadagirl |
Alot said here. Very good discussion going on (0= I am so glad I am home where I ought to be. (0= God Bless and I wanted to say Hi and I was thinking of you .
In Him,
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Jan. 9, 2007 - I agree! |
| Posted by AuthorElf |
Greetings from a fellow blogger!
I agree that women should be keepers at home, whether they have kids or not. I mean, really, it will really make dear hubby happy to find a tasty dinner and a calm, unharried wife when he comes home from work. Keeping the home in order is most undoubtedly what a woman should do.
Somehow I disagree with 'stay at home mom' and 'nonworking mother' and other such phrases. Each and every wife and mother (especially homeschool moms) has several jobs:
1. Driver
2. Cook
3. Teacher
4. Housecleaner
5. Nanny
6. Nurse
7. Washwoman
Nonworking mother? Ha! Just ask my aunt and mother of eight children. Kids and the home are a full time job.
~AuthorElf
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Dec. 1, 2007 - Amen! |
| Posted by OldPathsMom |
| I whole-heartedly agree although I *never* thought of that verse to back up the belief! What I have always used is that in Titus 2 it says to be a keeper AT home. If it hinged on having children, then you wouldn't have to be good, obedient, sober, love your husband or anything else in those verses unless you had children. Thanks for pointing out the truth is Psalms! |
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