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Aug. 13, 2009 - Is College for Unschoolers even Possible?
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Unschooling.  Oh, how I've come to love saying 'Unschooling' and even better then the sound of the word, is the actual living of a Radical Unschooling life! I've come to love the shock effect when people ask me which school my son attends and I reply, "Oh, he doesn't go to school. We unschool."

I've grown so use to the blank stare, the confused expressions, the need to translate the term 'unschooling' into something that they can wrap their head around. Oh sure, it would be much easier to simply say we homeschool. After all, unschooling is considered one form of homeschooling, but for those who have actually looked into the different forms, they will tell you that unschooling is nothing like doing school at home.

With unschooling, there are no tests, no grades, no curriculum, no grade levels, no need to read till the child desires to do so. The same concept applies to writing, math, science, social studies, English,....you get the point. There is absolutely no rules towards much of anything. Nope! Nada. Children are left to move at their own natural pace, be it a slow one, an average one, a fast one, or completely unique to the child. The later tends to be the more accurate way most seem to go in the unschooling world.

No, the previous paragraph doesn't mean we neglect our children. Please don't even bother following that thought path as from my observations, I would say that the oposite is true. Unschooling parents are very involved with their children and helping them learn everything! This is a hard concept to grasp so I like to describe it as how a loving mom helps her baby grow. She supplies interesting experiences, and learning opportunities. She points out a bird, and will draw her child's attention to it while saying 'bird' (or for some of us, 'Look at the Blue Jay'). Nobody ever questions all the wonderful ways new parents help their baby grow into a curious toddler then on to a smart young child...then that same curious and smart child reaches the age of five and most parents will bundle them up and send them away for most of their day. For unschoolers? Well, unschoolers aren't in such a hurry, unschoolers tend to be able to wait to bundle up their children till the child is ready to leave the nest on their own.

For some, college will be a choice they choose to pursue, but after what I've written above, many readers are probably wondering,"Just how can an unschooler get into college?" Well? The answer is, EASY!

I currently have two children in college. One started at age 17 and the other at age 16. My 11yo is also elgible but he would rather wait till he is taller. He figures he might go at age 15. Do I worry how they will do? Absolutely not. They all are and will do well. There are many reasons they will do well. The most important one being that they are there by their own choice. Having a choice and being responsible for yourself is very empowering. Unschoolers tend to be very empowered individuals.

They have faith in themselves that they can learn anything they want to learn. Most unschoolers are very knowledgable as they have been learning and living and exploring for years! College isn't just a first taste of freedom so failing doesn't tend to happen. So as I was looking for good links to back up my story here, I came across files and files of great information on how to get your unschooler into college. There is advise on how to prepare for the SAT or ACT. There is advise on how to translate an unschooling life into 'schoolese' therefore creating a transcript outlining a life of learning. But as I reveiwed these links, which I will include at the bottom for you to puruse, I thought what is it that you are REALLY asking?

Sure, sure, local community colleges let everyone in. The actual knowledge level doesn't matter. What if your child wishes to go to a high end college? Say Princeton University? Well, I know what I've read, but you don't want to hear second hand rumor. Lets go to Princetown and see what they want. If you click here, you will be taken to their Applying for Admission page.

Here is a snippet from that page: "As you prepare your application, help us to appreciate your talents, academic accomplishments and personal achievements. We'll ask for your transcript and recommendations, and we will want to know more than just the statistics in your file. Tell us your story. Show us what’s special about you. Tell us how you would seize the academic and non-academic opportunities at Princeton and contribute to the Princeton community. Above all, please write in a style that reflects your own voice."

Hmmmm.....sounds like the unique life learning of an Unschooler would fit rather well for what they are looking for.

Here are more links for those that would like ideas on how to prepare transcripts and other information on how to help an Unschooler get into college:

Sandra Dodd has a wonderful collection of articles on this topic. Click here.

Joyce Fetteroll also has a wonderful information page here.

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Aug. 13, 2009 - Untitled Comment
Posted by Haflingerhorses
This is a very good post! I remember when I first heard the word, unschooling, and was dumbfounded, but, intrigued at the same time. To satisfy my curiosity, (at the time, I was a grade level, educational knowledge geru to the point of being neurotic if a school day didn't happen the way I'd planned it) I ordered some books from those that wrote about it and one was some lady that unschooled her only child all the way through highschool. Her book blew my mind. I'd tell you the name of it if I was at home, but I'm not. Anyways, her testimony of her life was so opposite of mine. Her daughter went on to college and was extremely successul. I've never forgotten that book I read, as it helped me tremendously to let go of the stronghold in my mind about education.

I'll be looking at your links later. Would you post (when you have the time and inclination) a sample of the transcript you prepared for you your own kids in college?
Have a great day!
Antoinette
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Aug. 13, 2009 - Untitled Comment
Posted by MOMflippedisWOW
The college did not want transcripts. They stated that homeschool parents always give their children good grades so they only look at the test scores.

Other people have posted the transcripts they provided for their unschooled children and I will try and pull those all together and post them so you can see how an unschooling education translates into a transcript.
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Aug. 27, 2009 - Untitled Comment
Posted by kimalita
wow! I am inspired! thank you for posting. I'm Kim, by the way, found you through momco3.

I was just talking today about the process of beginning to look into what needs to be done on my part for my children, if they do choose, to head off to college. My oldest, of 5, is in 7th grade so we still have lots of time. But I was thinking I really have no idea what the end looks like and I'd like to.

So how does it work? I see you mentioned that schools dont look at transcripts, but test scores, are you meaning the ACT/SAT tests? Do I not need any transcripts for high school years?

How did you get your children into college so early? Did they take the GED test and then off they went?

Sorry for so many questions, my mind is racing with excitment to see that unschooling can be done and see such wonderful results. We are somewhere in the middle between unschooling and Charlotte Mason. We don't use textbooks, we read, read, and read some more! Anyway, any help would be great!

thanks!!
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Aug. 28, 2009 - Early College
Posted by MOMflippedisWOW
Many states offer what is referred to as 'Early College' or "Duel Enrollment'. We found the college very confused over how to proceed with this for a homeschooled student, but we dealt with the confusion and eventually it all worked out. I HIGHLY recommend the parent with the MOST patience deals with this. For me, this meant I made the calls but gave my spouse the pleasure of actually doing the paperwork at the college. Hands down, his patience far exceeds mine and he got through it much better then I would have.

If a student does Early College (Duel Enrollment) via the school system, then they must show a transcript and have a GPA over 3.0 for an academics path or a 2.5 for a vocation path. There are also some required courses.

For the Homeschooler or Unschooler, (Note: It's not worth the effort to even mention this word as it starts all kinds of ripples and more confusion. Best to just say 'homeschool'.) we had been advised they were not interested in the transcripts as it would be written by the student's parent, therefore, they would only be relying on the actual test scores. For college placement, only the CPT (College Placement Test) was required.

At some point, the SAT or ACT is asked for, but so far it hasn't come into play with either of my girls. My oldest daughter took the SAT at 17yo and scored extremely high, but so far, it hasn't even mattered. My second daughter has yet to take her's.

We have never been asked of a transcript. Maybe, if my girls were seeking a hard to get into private college, a transcript would be required. I highly recommend you contact the college of choice and speak to them about what they require.

Here is a copy of what the 'duel enrollment' requirements are for one college:
# Complete the Dual Enrollment Form with your high school guidance counselor and bring it to the Admissions Office.
# Fulfill placement requirements by submitting SAT or ACT scores, or by taking the College Placement Test (CPT). If you take the CPT, bring the scores back to your high school guidance counselor for review.

# Meet with one of our Academic Advisors to review the coursework suggested by your high school guidance counselor and how classes can apply to your intended program/major.

# Register for classes and receive your class schedule.

# Get free classes! Bring your class schedule to the Bursar's Office to pick up your zero balance sheet.

***The website never mentions anything about requirements for homeschoolers but by law, the same options apply.
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Aug. 28, 2009 - Untitled Comment
Posted by kimalita
thank you so much, Vikki! What a great help you've been.
Did you unschool the entire time with your children?
If you could pass one word of advice on, the wisdom that was most helpful or that, looking back, you wish you would have implemented sooner, what would that be?
:)) thank you, again!!
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