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Monday, November 14, 2005

PART THREE: My "New Mommy" Babywise and La Leche Memory

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Committed to breastfeeding and committed to having an ordered day while sleeping all night?  These things can work together but it may not be easy. 

 

My "New Mommy" memory . . . .

The first few weeks of trying to breastfeed AND get my first child to eat and sleep on a schedule were very difficult.  I was struggling with recovery from a c-section, not having a clue what to do with a newborn, postpartum crying jags, pain and difficulty nursing, and getting too little sleep.  We were ready to do whatever it took to "bring order to our days and sleep to our nights." 

 

BUT NOTHING SEEMED TO BE WORKING!  

A.) I thought that I had correctly been following the methods in the book "On Becoming Babywise" by Gary Ezzo and Robert Bucknam, M.D.  My daughter slept great (in her infant seat) and even slept long stretches at night (on occasion).  But nothing was consistent.  I was not sleeping at night and not functioning well during the day.

 

B.)  When I took her for her well-child visit, she had only gained one pound.  I had read that one pound per month is acceptable for a breastfed baby, but the pediatrician diagnosed her "failure to thrive" and told me to give her infant formula.  Now I was very confused!  Was it the schedule causing her to be too small?  Was it that I had an insufficient milk supply?  I did not want to give up nursing or my attempt to have a routine and sleep all night!  

 

C.)  On top of all the confusion, breastfeeding was extremely painful.  So I called a La Leche leader for breastfeeding help.  The advice regarding latch-on and proper positioning was invaluable.  But I was so discouraged at being told to nurse on demand when I had already worked out something of a schedule for feeding.  All of the "experts" were telling me different things! 

 

After much confusion, many tears, and prayer for wisdom as to what we should do, the following helped us:  

 

1.  We got lactation help.   The technical advice from the La Leche leader was very helpful.  I just did not follow the advice to nurse on demand.  (I curled my toes through the pain while nursing for the first six weeks and then the pain finally went away.)

 

2.  We got Babywise help.  I contacted a mom who had used Babywise with her children and she gave me a STRICT routine to follow for a few weeks.  She told me to stick to it without deviating until things were established.  My baby and I both cried for several days (and nights) but soon everything clicked.  She was eating on a routine, taking long naps, sleeping all night long, and still consistently gaining one pound per month.

 

3.  We switched pediatricians.  I got recommendations from breastfeeding moms for pediatricians who are supportive of parents' rights and choices in the care of their children. We found a doctor who looks beyond the growth charts and instead considers my size, my husband's size, and how well our babies are developing.  He does not pressure us to formula feed OR demand feed.  Our babies have all been tall and thin and he does not diagnose them "failure to thrive" when they are developing well and gaining at least one pound per month. 

 

Our experience has been that we can breastfeed exclusively and follow the Babywise routine.  We experience both tears and pain for a short while, but that soon ends and the benefits to our family have been amazing.

 

Feel free to email me if you want more details as to the routine that works for us.  My second child screamed most of his waking moments the first year of his life due to undiagnosed food allergies, but he found great comfort in our routine and slept long naps and all night long (almost the only times he was not crying from pain).  More food (the reason for the pain he was in) would have been the worst thing for him! 

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 - RESPONSE

Posted by
Here is my response to another woman's blog of concern about my post....

"I think you might have left that pediatrician as well. He was against breastfeeding! My daughter was perfectly healthy, gaining weight, and developing well (as attested to by the next pediatrician we went to). If the second medical opinion I had gotten had told me otherwise I would have done things differently. (surely you are not against getting a second medical opinion on matters of health?) If she had been losing weight or just not gaining I would have done something differently. But what we did was stick to a routine which taught her to sleep through the night and take long naps and after a few days she was a happy, content baby and we were happy parents. My other children are not hungry. Please don’t worry that this mom is starving her children. They are precious, happy, loved, and yes, well-fed. ) I make sure when I advise other Babywise moms to make sure their children are gaining and growing well. You are welcome to call me or email me if you’d like to chat! I will be happy to talk with you.
The reason I posted my story is to let Christian moms know they don’t have to choose one camp of parenting over another. It is possible to exclusively breastfeed on a (flexible) routine..

Note: My husband is six foot five and 160 pounds. That is EXTREMELY tall and SKINNY. He does not fit into the regular charts for men. It makes sense that our children may not fit into the typical charts either. The daughter mentioned above looks just like him. She is about a foot taller now than all the other five year olds around.

I have had four more children in the past four years. My children’s ages are 5,4,3,2,and 4 months. They are happy, exceptionally healthy kids (praise God!). They all sleep great and eat great. I am not strict about the routine except for the first few weeks trying to get everything established. And even those few weeks I feed on a flexible 2 1/2 - 3 hour schedule throughout the days and usually feed every 2 hours in the late evening. I have friends (whose families range from eight, five, and three children) who exclusively breastfeed and follow (though not legalistically) the methods in Babywise."



Edited by Moms4Psalms on Thursday, December 1, 2005 at 5:31 PM
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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - What an encouragement

Posted by Anonymous
It's so encouraging to read your blogs. I was searching the web for "babywise" issues. Cos I've started it on my 3-week old boy (we started almost day 1, or rather right out of hospital). But I have been having some difficulty. Feeding times are fine, cos he still needs to be woken up for most feeds (he's a real sleepyhead). Wake times are almost impossible, for it's already good if he can stay awake to finish his feeds. Naptimes are erratic. Sometimes he'll be so sleepy at my breasts (feels like sedatives) but right after feed he'll be awake and refused to go back to sleep. Even after some wake time, he's sleepy, cos he's yawning, and blanking out, but he fights his sleep! It's really quite tough...he also has a strong desire to suck (that distracts him from sleeping) and we read that he's too young for paci.

I really wish you can share with me your experience of helping your children sleep on their own.

My boy won't even sleep in our arms! So many times he'll spend the entire cycle fussing or crying or simply stay in our arms open-eyed but very tired until the next feed and then he'll be so sleepy that he falls right asleep.

Please email me if you can: annchua@usa.net

Ann
Singapore
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Saturday, December 10, 2005 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
*hug* I know how very traumatic it can be to get a Failure to Thrive dx, even if it is a less serious instance than it could be.

My experience has been that for many mothers (myself included) that following the BW eat-wake-sleep routine led to milk supply loss and delayed growth. While I understand that you are comfortable with your child's slow rate of growth being within the normal range for your genetics, I have known many mothers whose babies were NOT dx'd Failure to Thrive, but were smaller than would be otherwise expected. This concerns me.

I have found that routine, order and structure to my day and my children's day can be established, without imposing an artificial eating and sleeping schedule. I've found my children eat better (infants and older) when following their cues and as they get older, having family mealtimes. I was able to have order in my day and maintain my milk supply by discarding the BW eat-wake-sleep routine.

A good resource for Establishing Routine without BW is:
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/moodyfamily/routine.html



Grace and peace,
TulipGirl

http://www.tulipgirl.com
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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - Is this really a good plan for breastfeeding?

Posted by Anonymous
B.) When I took her for her well-child visit, she had only gained one pound. I had read that one pound per month is acceptable for a breastfed baby, but the pediatrician diagnosed her "failure to thrive" and told me to give her infant formula.

1 lb of weight gain in a month is acceptable for breastfed infants. At certain ages. From 0-4 months of age the "average" weight gain per week is 4-8 oz per week. Understanding that weight gain is high initially and gradually drops, it is concerning when a baby only gains one lb in the first month. My experience with my own 4 children is that they tend to gain 10-12 oz per week during weeks 2-3, then slowly start dropping down so that by 4 months of age they are gaining about 5 oz per week. Which blends them quite nicely into the "3-5 oz per week" they are expected to gain in months 4-6, and 1-3 oz per week in months 6-12. My kids are small. My "biggest" baby only hit the 50th percentile on the weight charts (she is now 7, and a slender girl). My smallest (now 5 1/2 and the shortest child in her kindergarten class--but still has a BMI in the 49th percentile for her height--so exactly "average" weight for height) was born at the 20th percentile and dropped slightly below the 10th percentile line--but she STILL gained that 10-12 oz per week in the early weeks.

Bottom line, gaining only 1 lb in the first month of life would be extremely concerning to me--regardless of a "tall, THIN dad." Ironically, the chunkiest babies I know often seem to be paired with petite parents--the most striking was a friend from church who was about a size 6, birthed an 11 lb 10 oz boy ******lly, and he was 25 lbs by 4 months old.

Our experience has been that we can breastfeed exclusively and follow the Babywise routine.

I do wonder about your "untold story" though. How long do you nurse your babies? With the age spacing you've got, you must be pregnant again by about the time a baby is 3 months old. My experience is that once I am pregnant my milk supply plummets, so I've got to assume that if you weren't already heavily supplementing prior to getting pregnant, that you started fairly soon after. Yet the American Academy of Pediatrics reccommends exclusive breastfeeding to 6 months of age, and for breastfeeding to be the primary source of nutrition until one year of age.

Do you understand that feeding on demand delays fertility, and perhaps God *planned* it that way so that moms could have sufficient time to properly nourish the baby and to rest between babies? After all, it would be pretty traumatic for a mom to loose her milk supply back in Biblical times considering that Similac wasn't around yet. I know that even with working full time outside of the home after my babies were born, thus necessitating that I "work & pump" (and I did supply exclusive breastmilk for at *least* 6 months for each child, and enough for primary nutrition through to at *least* one year of age, and threw a lot of excess milk away and donated some to an adoptive mom) which is less effective at delaying fertility than direct nursing, I was not fertile until at least 11 months post-partum with each of my kids--at which point I was promptly pregnant with babies 2 & 3, I managed to make it to 14 months PP before getting pregnant with #4, and now I'm at 24 months and holding... (I've been fertile since around 11 months though--Natural Family Planning really does work!).

(Before you jump all over me because "how can you leave your babies in DAYCARE???" understand that my husband works nights--so he took care of the kids in the daytime, and I was home at night. AND he was out of work for a bit more than 2 years in the last 5 years, so someone had to be bringing home a paycheck.)

But I was so discouraged at being told to nurse on demand when I had already worked out something of a schedule for feeding. All of the "experts" were telling me different things!

Do you understand that the only "experts" who don't reccommend nursing on demand are authors like Gary Ezzo who admits he has never so much as read a book on breastfeeding, and pediatricians who likely did not nurse their own children (or their wife did not nurse) because the formula companies given them free formula?

I curled my toes through the pain while nursing for the first six weeks and then the pain finally went away.

I did this too--so I really sympathize! Got a bit easier with each child, but it was there. Something I did not realize until my 4th child was that my babies were not properly flipping out the top lip. With my 4th I would flip it out myself with my finger, and it was night & day different. If you baby doesn't have a "crease" mark on the upper & lower lip after nursing, the baby isn't getting the lips flipped out correctly.

We got Babywise help. I contacted a mom who had used Babywise with her children and she gave me a STRICT routine to follow for a few weeks. She told me to stick to it without deviating until things were established. My baby and I both cried for several days (and nights) but soon everything clicked.

Did things "click" or did your baby just give up?

One sad thing I find in common with moms following Babywise is how much they talk about crying in the newborn period--from baby AND mom. I just haven't experienced that with any of my babies. And yet they have all developed a routine to their eating/napping patterns by anywhere between 8-12 weeks of age. And they all sleep well enough for me to get good sleep.

Jenn
www.knittedinthewomb.blogspot.com
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Thursday, January 26, 2006 - Responding again . . .

Posted by Moms4Psalms
I have written more details about my nursing experiences under "Breastfeeding and Babywise" on an Ezzo Discussion/Debate board found here:
http://awareparent.net/smf/index.php?board=1.0

Out of spiritual conviction we do not follow any method of birth control including the method called "Natural Family Planning." See my post "Womb Worries" for more on that topic.

I posted in my first Response above that our children are continually under medical supervision of a pediatrician who is supportive of exclusive breastfeeding. I am not going against the medical advice of my pediatrician nor would I encourage other mothers to do so. Our pediatrician is pleased with our children's growth at each well-child visit.

I would say things definitely "click" for us earlier and earlier with each baby and there is now very little crying in those early weeks home with our newborns. With each baby we have we are more thankful for these methods friends have shared with us to bring order to our days and sleep to our nights.

TulipGirl, I appreciate the link you included above about another way to breastfeed exclusively while still maintaining a routine. Thanks for sharing!
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Monday, January 30, 2006 - Still skirting the question...

Posted by Anonymous
I posted a reply to you at http://awareparent.net/smf/index.php?topic=30.msg952#msg952

BTW...the "Eat/wake/eat/sleep" routine came from my reccommending it to Laurie Moody years ago because that is what my babies naturally fell into. I do think she has said that other people commented about the same sort of natural pattern developing, but Tulipgirl got the idea from Laurie's website about breastfeeding with a routine.

Jenn

Edited by Moms4Psalms on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:28 PM
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Monday, January 30, 2006 - I'd rather not debate here . . .

Posted by
My desire is for my blog to be a place for sharing what worked for me and for others to share what worked for them. I honestly appreciate comments saying "This is how I do things differently" or "Go to this site for more information to the contrary," etc. But I believe there are enough "debate" forums and blogs and I would appreciate anyone wishing to debate to go to the awareparent board (where I have written) or some other. Feel free to email me personal questions if you want more information about what works for me, but I am not interested in debating.

I will begin to edit or delete comments on my blog that seem to have a tone meant only for engaging in debate. ;o) But again, I do welcome comments that share how something totally opposite worked for you or include references to other sites (including your own blogs).

Thank you!
Sincerely,
Moms4Psalms



Edited by Moms4Psalms on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:45 PM
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Thursday, February 2, 2006 - Emailing me

Posted by Moms4Psalms
Hi!

You can click to email me under the LINKS on my webpage. Click under "Email me" or enter this address: Jaydlake@aol.com
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My faith teaches me that the calling of Christian homemaker, wife, or mother is just as holy as one to "full-time ministry." I am a mom of seven children ages eight and under seeking and sharing helpful tidbits learned during this season of life. May we glorify and enjoy Him each day! :o), Moms4Psalms

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