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the case of the government school system, it was never an appropriate
means for educating Christian children, and frankly, when I speak to
non-Christians, I tell them also that their children are being
immeasurably harmed and that they should spare no effort in getting
their children out. Dr. Bruce Shortt Heres a short interview I did with Dr. Bruce Shortt this week. You may have seen him last issue in our magazine, The Old Schoolhouse.
Bruce is the individual, along with fellow Baptist Roger Moran, who has
proposed a resolution for the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) that
would exhort Baptist churches to come up with an exit strategy (and fast) to remove their children from the public schools. I
have to admit that what he and others like him are proposing makes a
lot of sense to me. Schools today are nothing like they were 60 years
ago. I am not sure how possible it is....and I am still trying to
figure out how far I personally would take it. But the more I read and
listen, the more I feel convicted that schools are just not an option
for Christian kids. Parents MUST take a look at the risks of sending
off their children for eight hours a day to a godless system one
that not only lacks God, but hates God. I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOUR
COMMENTS, HERE. Don't be afraid to tell me to drop dead. Please join in, even if you disagree. I am very interested in hearing what all of you think. Lets talk to Bruce
1. Bruce, what is the name of your book that just came out last year? Why did you write it? What is your message to the The title the publisher chose for my book is The Harsh Truth About Public Schools, but, if it had been up to me, it would have been something like Don't Leave any Child Behind: Why Christians Must Rescue their Children From Government Schools. By
way of background, let me mention that I went to public schools, as did
my seven brothers and sisters; my mother was a school nurse; both my
grandmothers were public school teachers; many of my uncles, aunts,
cousins, etc. either are teaching or have retired from teaching in
public schools; and, in the course of my career, I have had various
points of contact with the system. One
of the greatest problems we have in discussing the public school system
rationally is that it seems like such a "normal" part of life.
Almost all of us went through it, and the same was true for our parents
and grandparents. Historically, however, it is not The
book actually began as a series of chapter titles that I wrote down
quickly one afternoon after having read yet another article about some
facet of the insanity that we euphemistically refer to as the "public
schools." A few days later I thought that perhaps I could use the
chapter titles as the outline of a tract for Exodus Mandate,
so I started writing. Before long it became apparent that the tract
wanted to be a book. So, I decided that I would write a 120-140 page
book that we could use in the ministry to explain to parents why they
need to change how they are educating their children. When the
first chapter tipped the scales at a little over 50 pages, and when I
realized that people would be skeptical of what I was saying without
endnotes pointing readers to sources (I didn't want to have to end
every paragraph like Dave Barry by saying "And I'm not making this
up!"), I reconciled myself to writing something more substantial. The
result was a book that does three things. First, it presents
within a very brief compass the Biblical explanation for why Christian
parents are obligated to provide their children with a Christian
education. That explanation is only a small part of the book because,
unlike some areas of systematic theology, the theology regarding the
education of our children is very straight forward. The second thing the Harsh Truth does
is look comprehensively at the fruit of our government school habit. As
your readers know, Gena, Christ tells us that good trees bear good
fruit and bad trees bear bad fruit, so what I did was examine in every
major area the fruit of our government school habit. Not surprisingly,
what you discover is that the fruit of that habit is not merely bad,
it's rotten. The government's schools are not merely destroying our
children spiritually, morally, and intellectually, but those in charge
of the schools are lying to parents and the public about just about
every measure of performance that is important. Moreover, most parents
have no idea of the true extent of crime and violence with the schools,
how the schools are an extremely hostile environment for boys, how the
schools have become the nation's largest drug pusher, and why they are
absolutely unreformable from even just a secular point of view. Finally,
I spend some time at the end of the book pointing parents who want to
rescue their children (or grandparents who want to rescue their
grandchildren) to Christian education resources. I also have some words
of counsel for Christian teachers and administrators. Overall,
I hope the book will help those already committed to Christian
education deepen their understanding and commitment to what they are
doing - I sometimes refer to it as the antidote for
homeschooling fatigue and Christian school tuition
fatigue. The Harsh Truth is also intended help homeschool parents and others become effective EVANGELISTS for Christian education. For
those who are not committed to Christian education, or who think that
giving your children to an aggressively anti-Christian institution to
form their thinking, the book is intended to force them to think more
deeply about the subject and challenge them to justify, as Christians,
what they are doing in the education of their children. Let
me just mention, finally, that while I am a homeschool father (who
actually does 99.9% of the homeschooling), Exodus Mandate and I
advocate Christian education for our children. That encompasses
homeschooling, Christian schools, University Model Schools, distance
learning, co-op classes, and every other effective means of providing
children with a Christian education. 2. If we pull out all the Christians, are we not abandoning "the system" and all of those left behind? I want to make it clear that I don't advocate "pulling all the Christians out." We need to rescue our children and send in those adults who are truly called to a ministry
in the dark and decaying government school system. Those adults who are
truly called will witness, regardless of Pharoah's rules, and not
merely collect a paycheck. To
those who worry about "abandoning" the system, I would suggest that
they have confused means with ends. Any system of education is simply a
means, not an end. In the case of the government school system, it was
never an appropriate means for educating Christian children, and
frankly, when I speak to non-Christians, I tell them also that their
children are being immeasurably harmed and that they should spare no
effort in getting their children out. As
for the children whose parents will not remove them, removing our
children is the kindest, most effective thing we can do to help them
for several reasons. Removing our children is a powerful witness
that inevitably causes others to rethink what they are doing with their
own children. In addition, the government school system is collapsing.
The longer it takes to collapse, the more damage it does to children,
families, our communities, and our culture. Removing our children
hastens that collapse. In fact, if every Christian family took its
children out tomorrow, the government school system would be thoroughly
delegitimated publicly and would collapse financially. Then we as
a society would have the first serious discussion about education
in 150 years, rather than merely talking about "public school reform",
which is just a euphemism for taxing parents more heavily to
provide still more money to the special interest groups that
comprise the government school system. Bear in mind, too, that leaving
our children behind does no good and harms our children. Obviously,
I don't expect all or even most Christian parents to rescue their
children immediately, but every family that does rescue its children
moves us incrementally closer to the point where something substantive
can be done to help the children of parents who simply don't care. 3. But what about school reform? As
I have often said, the government schools are unreformable. That is,
they are unreformable from the standpoint of the objectives and values
of the typical parent. You will never understand the school system's
behavior if you continue to think of it in terms of having "education"
in any normal sense as its primary mission. Today, that is simply the
wrong model for understanding the institution. One of the points I
argue in the book is that you can only understand the behavior of the
system if you recognize that its two primary functions today are (a)
allocating roughly $600 billion a year among a very broad range of
interest groups that are the system's political constituency and
obtaining more money for those groups and (b) providing an ideological
channel of influence for those elements of the government school
special interests that have an ideological agenda that they want to
advance through the schools (e.g. feminists and liberals have such
an agenda, while architects and professional engineers typically don't). Apart
from the systematic argument that I provide in the book regarding the
futility of school reform efforts, everyone should recognize that we
have been going through spasms of "school reform" for many decades. The
result has been a vastly greater flow of dollars to the government
school special interest groups while the institution continues to
decay. 4.
Here's the clincher, Bruce. What's wrong with public school for a
Christian? Can't they be salt and light?Is it a sin for a Christian to
send their kids to public school? Or is it merely unwise? One
of the things I find fascinating when talking to many Christians is
their inability to reason Biblically when it comes to the subject of
education. Let's begin with the term "sin". Both in the Old Testament
and the New the word translated as "sin" comes from a term that means
to "miss the mark" - as when someone is given a target to aim at and
misses it. In context, then, "sin" is failing to meet a standard
that God has set for us. While
there is a great deal that could be said on Biblical standards for
education, let's stick to the basics. First, Christ tells us that we
can't claim to be neutral with respect to him: we are either for him or
against him [Matthew 12:30]. Education is no exception. In fact, in
Ephesians 6:4 we are instructed to raise up our children
in the training and instruction of the Lord. Are a few hours a
week sufficient? The answer is quite clearly "no". As Deuteronomy 6:6-7
tells us, this training is to be going on all of the time. Why? Because
as Proverbs 23:7 points out: "For as a man thinks, so he is..." Our
education, in other words, determines more than any other single factor
how we think. Christ makes this point forcefully in Luke 6:40: "A
student is not greater than his teacher, and when he is fully
trained, he will be like his teacher." Thus, when we give our children
over to a K-12 educational system that is Constitutionally prohibited
from being for Christ, we have made an anti-Christian institution our
child's teacher. That is missing the mark - in other words, that is
sin. But it is not merely a personal sin; it is also a sin that is
likely to cause children to sin as well. All of us who are parents
would do well to contemplate both Psalm 127:3 and Matthew 18:6 from
time to time. There
is, of course, a great deal more that can be said to elaborate on this
basic Biblical argument, but for those still resisting the obvious, I
return to the "fruit of the tree" test. Every survey shows that the
church is hemorrhaging children. Even though they may profess to be
Christian, examination of their actual beliefs demonstrates that they
are not. If you doubt this, take a look at the findings from
Barna, the Nehemiah Institute, and Dr. Christian Smith's work.
Indeed, this problem now affects the adults in our churches
as well. Research by Dr. Thom Ranier, formerly at Southern Baptist
Theological Seminary and now head of Lifeway, indicates that about 50%
of Southern Baptist church members may not be regenerate. On the other
hand, students receiving a Christian education - and especially
Christian homeschooled students and students attending FACE or ACCS
schools - do well on Christian worldview tests. If
you are surprised by all of this, why should you be? All education
teaches a worldview, and that worldview will be either Christian or
something else. Government schools are prohibited from teaching a
Christian worldview, so they must teach something else. Because a large
majority of Christians have made the government schools their
childrens teacher, how could we reasonably expect those
children to emerge after the end of 12-13 years and not be "like
their teacher?" 5. Bruce, what if a family can't afford to homeschool or private school? What if public school education is the only option? Apart
from working out our own salvation, we, as Christian parents, have no
more important task on this earth than raising our children as the
Bible commands us. If we are giving our children over to an
anti-Christian institution for their education we are failing to be
faithful, and we are harming our children spiritually, morally, and
intellectually perhaps even physically. Thus, the question for us cannot be, Can we afford a Christian education? Instead, it must be, How are we going to do it? Those
of us who are middle class Americans already have been graced with
abundant means. If we ask, Can we afford a Christian education?, what
we are really asking is whether we can provide our children one without
disturbing our existing material priorities. Can you give your children
a Christian education in a Christian school or by homeschooling without
changing how you live? I dont know, but all of us need to constantly
remind ourselves that cars, boats, hobbies, clothes, vacations, large
houses, and restaurant meals are all ephemera. Like our flesh, they
will wither and fade. As parents we are obligated to ensure that the
Word abides within our children and that they receive a Christian
education. For
those of us whose material means are less than average, giving our
children a truly Christian education seems a great challenge. Yet, in In 18th and early 19th
century Connecticut, for example, virtually everyone was literate, even
though by todays standards the well-to-do then would be considered to
be living in shocking poverty. Even the poor in For
those children whose family or financial circumstances are truly bleak,
acting together as a community of Christians is the single most
important thing we can do to ensure that all of the children in our
churches can get a Christian education. Here, unfortunately, our
churches have been AWOL. We seem to have money for massive building
programs, retreats, conferences, and a host of other things that are
secondary priorities at best. Yet, when it comes to providing a
Christian education alternative to the neediest among us, we simply
turn away. This is a scandal, and it needs to change. Thank
you, Dr. Bruce Shortt, for talking with us today. I look forward to
seeing the comments this blog interview generates. Hopefully, youll
come back again soon to continue the conversation. - gena Post A Comment!
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Bruce and Gena, thank you very much for this great interview! I have been reading with interest about this move in the SBC to encourage parents to pull their children out of the schools. I have homeschooled by conviction since my children were born, and that conviction grows stronger each day. I know that homeschooling is not an easy task, and is probably not for everyone, but I applaud encouraging parents in doing whatever they can and making whatever sacrifice is needed to see to it that their children have a truely Christian education. My husband and I live well below what many around us do, and have made many sacrifices to keep me home to educate our precious Gifts from God, and as I see my now teen and "preteen" children growing in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and man, I know those sacrifices have been well worth the effort.
Wow, scary, I am the first one to post a comment?
Hi, I enjoyed the interview. I belong to the SBCHEA and I support the new resolution to the Southern Baptist Convention. They already passed one resolution that exhorted Christians to get their kids out because of the homosexual teachings in the schools and other reasons. http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/humpty/114806/
Sounds good to me. I was just explaining homeschooling to a friend in terms of us being "entrepreneurs" of a sort with respect to education -- in the same sense as one who goes into business and also the etymology of as "risk taker." Frankly, we cannot guarantee the outcome of our homeschoolers. But we can be confident that they will do better than if they are herded into a classroom to be brainwashed with AIDS awareness and everything else.
The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Does public schools teach the fear of the Lord? Do we want our children to be educated/indoctrinated or become wise unto Salvation?
Oh, I forgot to say that I am homeschooling my grandson, now, so I am still in the ballgame.
This was a fascinating read. I need to get that book, this interview wasnt long enough...
I am having trouble logging on, so... Yes, if we really think about it, we boycott those companies who support things we do not agree with. Wouldn't it make sense to boycott a system that is turning the hearts of our children away from the Lord's ways? As a family as we have studied the ways the pilgrims educated their children and the ways many of our founding fathers were educated and compare that with what is going on today, we are amazed. The fruit of their Godly education impacted morals, crime, contributed to a tremendous work ethic, positively influenced our nation and carried faith through to subsequent generations. Parents saw that the responsibility of educating their children rested on their shoulders and took it seriously. As we have allowed an ungodly institution take over our responsibility, the consequences have been devastating and grievous. Thank you for posting this interview. It needs to be discussed for the sake of our future posterity.
I was especially impressed by this point:
I so enjoyed the sound reasoning and Biblical insight Dr. Shortt offers here. I couldn't agree more. In fact, the truth is, most of us don't even know the damage the public educational system did to our own worldview growing up. We were not taught that we were special and important, only that we were related to apes. We were not taught that God created us for a purpose, only that we were the masters of our destiny. We were not taught that our value was in our being made in the image of God, only that we must perform to be valuable. We were assured there were no moral standards for behavior, and our peers reinforced this by rewarding certain behavior with popularity and acclaim. The messages children receive in school are not only unbiblical, they are antibiblical. The light that might have been like a city on a hill is slowly and tragically extinguished without the foundation of a Biblical Worldview.
This is a great forum. I hope everyone goes and read's the interview that Lorrie wrote too in TOS, the Winter issue, page 82. You know, reading Jeannie's comments just now really blew me away, because she voiced my exact thoughts. It wasn't until Jesus came into my life and heart in 1988 that I realized I was special, (because He made me) and that I wasn't some crazy cosmic accident. (Or a product of the lie, evolution.) Public school was the worst possible way to be raised, it was just one big lie after another.
He answers all questions EXACLTY how I feel about some of those questions and never been able to put together in my own head. Thank you for posting it.
I'm kind of like Marsha in that I don't like conflict so I'm hesitant to tell others what they should do about educating their children. I think each parent is responsible for prayerfully seeking God's will in the matter.
i don't think that it is a "sin" if you send your child into the public school system, that is for sure. i think that you have to look at it case by case. i went to a public school until i graduated from high school. i think i left largely uneffected. i will also say that the vast majority of teachers in my schools were very involved in local churches. my science teachers spent little time on evolution because they did not believe it and encouraged us to bring our bibles to school to debate the issues. that was in a fairly small town and it is not so much that way anymore. the teachers that i had in high school were my mom's teachers when she was in high school, they also taught my brothers. in the last 7 years since i have graduated most of those teachers have retired and it is a new ball game. i would not send my child to the schools that i attended. my sil lives in the middle of nowhere south dakota. there are about 100 kids in the entire school system where she lives. they all know each other very well. i would not have a problem with my kids going to school there because it is such a small tight knit community. but here is the thing, i would almost rather send my kids to a public school than to a "christian" school. for one, most of the kids kicked out of my public school were enrolled in the christian schools in our area. for another, most christian school kids/teachers are not christian at all in the way they act and live their lives. i think that can be completely confusing, especially to younger kids. i expected there to be this MAJOR difference when I went off to an at-the-time pretty conservative christian college. i was sorely disappointed. i found out that most kids in the college were full of it, and that is not the holy spirit. it really hurt me spiritually.
Seems I spend too much time avoiding conflict and not enough time speaking truth.
"In the case of the government school system, it was never an appropriate means for educating Christian children, and frankly, when I speak to non-Christians, I tell them also that their children are being immeasurably harmed and that they should spare no effort in getting their children out. Dr. Bruce Shortt
SO MANY PARENTS are blind to what public schools really are. I can't wait to read the book!
i do understand the overall agenda of the public school system and i know that it is not good. but, as i said i think it varies from school to school what is actually taught from that agenda. i do agree that in sending a child to a public school you are not sending them there to be educated in religious matters and that no matter where you do send your child to school their foundation must be laid at home.
I posted on this earlier this week also. Reform for me would have to include complete adherence to Christian values. I don't see that happening without an ugly fight. I don't have time to wait for the godless system to get fixed while my kids grow up. I choose homeschool.
AMEN and Hallelujah! :)
I've blogged about this in where I discuss the struggle I have to understand why fellow Christians would put their children in public schools. I don't want to come across as judgemental, but I just don't get it!!! It honestly frustrates me and almost reduces me to tears. If Christian Americans don't recognize the travisty of the horribly flawed system, then who will?
I completely agree. I used to be pretty wishy-washy about the whole subject...I would tell people that homeschooling was what we had been called to do, but that it probably wasn't for everyone. Surely, it was okay for some Christians to have their kid's in public schools if that's what they felt led to do. But the more time that passes, and the more information that I find out about the state that public schools are in....now I completely believe that Christian children should NOT be in public schools at all. This is causing problems in my personal life, as my two best friends have their children in public schools, and both of them tell me constantly that their school's are "different". To be perfectly blunt....I think that's a cop out. I think that it's just easier to send their kids off to school every day than to take responisibility for their education themselves. I just haven't had the guts to tell them that yet. Sigh.
Whenever I think of kids in a public education setting, I think of the story of Daniel. Daniel and many other intelligent and comely boys from Israel were forcibly taken from his home by the enemy and placed in the pagan education system. For four of these--Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Adebnego--- this worked our well --in the sense that they remained true to God and to the precepts of their families. These young men were tempted to betray their God, the heritage, and their Law, and yet they remained true. They were able to show the power and glory of God in that situation and to accomplish great things for him. Yet it was not without sacrifice. They were shunned by many of their peers and eventually,as they grew into adults in that society, all faced bullying of the worst sort: three were thrown into a blazing fire and one was thrown to the lions. Only the miraculous hand of God saved them.
The reason so many Christian, bible believing parents send their kids to public school is, in a word: FREE.
I've heard the "salt and light" argument and my answer to that is ... the Bible is silent on Jesus's childhood. We hear about His birth, then 12 years later we hear about Him in temple, then at age 33 He starts His ministry. If God Himself didn't think His son was called to ministry until He was 33 why do we feel pressured to have our children be witnesses in an openly anti-Christian environment?
I hear that "salt and light" expression way too much, implying that we should be sending our children into the battlefield to conquer darkness. How many of these parents are being "salt and light" just as extensively in their own lives? Why are they sending their children out to be soldiers in their place?
gena,
I cannot comment on what the government school system in the USA is like, but I can say that, in some ways, the same sort of things are happening over here in the UK. Both my hubby and myself are products of the state school system here - I did well (head down, got on withthe work and then went straight home - a proper "Goody-2-shoes"); hubby did not as he took no examinations and waited until he was in his 30s to do a degree. Our son went to a "Faith" school (Church of England) until he was almost 9 - he was taught more about the ethenic minority religions than his own, and was horribly bullied. He told one of his teachers that his only friend at school was God, and that felt not even God was listening to his problems.
Gena:
Even if sending our DC to public school isn't a sin, do we really want to expose them to something like this? Keep preaching it sister, "Home Where They Belong!" (btw, I got the link from Spunky)
Gena, I would like to invite you to visit my blog and submit an article for the 20th homeschooling carnival which I will be hosting! You can find the information on my blog! Have a great day!
I SO agree. I wrote about this same sort of thing in my blog article, "A Solid Foundation in a Shaky World." I agree that we need Christians in the school system - but send in more adults as teachers and administrators NOT children! I also go into some of this in my workshop "Homeschooling as a Lifestyle." As Bruce noted, Jesus did say, in Luke 6:40, that a student WILL be like his teacher. I'm living proof. Before I was a Christian I was very involved in the occult (now called New Age). My favorite teacher in my freshman year taught me to use I-Ching coins, tarot cards and numerology. Once my niece started public school and changed so much and then I became a Christian, I KNEW all this would only get worse - I was right.
I completely agree that Christians should diligently train their children in the faith (Deut. 6), but I fear that the call for an "Exodus" will only serve to make us look more like religious nuts to most other Christians. You may as well tell them that from this day on we're going to drive our cars on the left side of the road. Most Christians I know see no problem with public schools and in fact believe that homeschoolers are denying our call to "go ye unto all the world" by keeping our kids at home. It's sad.
This is my first time on this interesting website. I stopped by at the request of a mom friend who homeschools. She said she would like to know my opinion regarding this interview and that the moderator would too. I told her I felt hesitant to comment, but she repeated that the moderator wants all responses. So here is my response
I would not describe this article as judgemental. I would describe this article as an urgent message that needs to be shared. The fact that Christian children are leaving the faith is devastating and tragic. Drastic situations call for drastic answers. If 90 some percent of public-educated Christian children are leaving the faith, we should all be on our knees and crying out to God Almighty. Something is dreadfully wrong. The best place to look for answers is God's word. What went wrong and what is the answer?
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