Ok, here’s the deal. I wish HSB had a comment moderation feature. Then I could only post the comments form people that agree with me and it would appear that everyone loves me. I don’t care if people really do love me but I figure the dissenters could have the courtesy to keep their opinions to themselves. Especially after I have already said I don’t care about their opinion of me. As I tell my kids to ask rude kids at the park I’ll ask some of my readers “Didn’t your mother teach you any manners?”
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And quite honestly if you want to approach me in public you should expect that I will respond in public. If I were to find myself in these conversations IRL I’d walk away. But if someone invites themselves into my livingroom and proceeds to call me on my beliefs I have one of two options. I can gently escort them to the door or I can assume that they enjoy a good debate like me.
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I believe we should have an answer for what we believe…that includes EVERYTHING we believe. I have answers and that offends some people. I don’t know where people get the idea that it is my job to beg and cajole others to agree with me. I state my opinions, I give references and the people can decide if they agree or not.
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How’s about this – if I read a comment that sounds snarky or questioning or something that may turn into a debate that I want no part in I’ll just delete it ok? Then no one (save the commenter, I suppose) will be offended by my replies and everyone will think that all my commenters have good manners. I’ll help the rude people save face. No problem, I’m happy to help.
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Back to life:
Today Jacob and Josiah were pretending to have tea party and everything is going fine until Josiah says “And then someone came in with a pocket knife in his pocket and gun and his name was John Boof.” Can you tell we learned about Lincoln not too long ago?
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I got almost nothing done today. Well actually I got quite a bit done but it was one of those days that feels like organized chaos and I just feel like I did the minimum. I don’t like that feeling. I want to excel each and every day. Who knew I was so competitive!!
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I finally let the kids feel Jodi moving. I had put it off logn enough in an effort to postpone the constant tummy rubbing that will now occur here. But those that got a turn before Jodi went back to sleep giggled with delight.
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I handed the little camera to the kids tonight. Jason and Junie went crazy with the pictures. Expect to see those on Jason’s blog soon. Doncha just love the freedom of digital photography?
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Tomorrow I vow to get a lot done including shooting the very end of that sewing tutorial. I had to wash the little dress I made so we could do a nice end piece and lead in for the video. That dress will be dry by tomorrow. J Jeff will edit the video and I hope to have it uploaded by Friday. Shall I make a tentative to do list?
School of course
Sourdough bread (I’ll try again Megan)
Sew some more dipes
Knit
Fold material properly
Move boxes into “guest room”
New grocery list
Cook beans
I think that’ll do it for now. We will see how much I get done. Lists are so motivating!!
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Here are two pictures from our visit to the property the other day. Isn’t it still beautiful even when it is bare? The kids had a blast jumping in piles of leaves and pretending to be Civil War soldiers fighting through the forest.
Who are these good looking kids? One time I sent a picture of all my kids (think I had 8 at the time) to an e-friend/foster mom in NJ. Her reply was “How do you get such cute kids? Don’t they have ugly kids in Arizona?” I said “We send the ugly ones back.” Ok, not so true but really they are a handsome bunch, are they not?

The last post on the daycare debate:
Camilla said it with more words than I would have. There, now y’all can go get upset with her. http://homeschoolblogger.com/camillaanderson/417415/
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And Cindy covered pretty well how I feel about dissenters.
http://thebodiebunch.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-gratitude.html
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Jazzy also said it much better than me. In case you missed it.
I guess I don't understand the need to pretend that children aren't affected by being left in daycare. I am not saying they have RAD, but they are affected and not in a way that is positive.
My oldest went to Mother's Day Out for 3 years and he was absolutely negatively affected by it and that was only for 2 days a week, 6 hours per day. I can't imagine having him there 5 days per week.
Jen, it sounds like you are being a GREAT mom to your children, but it seems like your remarks that daycare have had no affect on them are arising from defensiveness.
My dad left my mom when she was pregnant. In order to support us with no government assistance, I was in daycare from the time I was 6 weeks old until 5th grade when I became a latch key kid.
Was she a great mom - absolutely! Was I negatively affected by daycare - absolutely! My mom is thrilled that I am homeschooling her grandkids. Even as a mom who has walked in your shoes, she feels the BEST place for a child is in the home.
As for working women in the Bible, I have not seen any evidence that these children were in institutionalized day care. Those who are placing their children daycare (for whatever reason) need to at least be honest about its negative effects. I understand the need (or desire) to place a child in day care.
I don't understand the need to pretend that a child being placed in a group setting and cared for by strangers is just as good as a child being cared for by parents in a loving home. It's not.
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Jen said, “Just for reference, I wasn't comparing homeschooled kids to daycare kids... I was saying that there ARE bad homeschool parents out there just like there ARE bad daycare parents out there.”
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My reply: Yes, you did compare the two. You said “There are very bad parents who homeschool as well... but would it be fair of me to make a judgement about the effect those bad parents have on their children as a homeschooling problem as a whole?” That, Jen, is comparing what I said about daycares to homeschoolers. Perhaps I should have responded to you in this way “No Jen, it would not be a fair ‘judgment’ because the two can not be compared. You are talking apples and oranges. One has statistically been shown as a whole to be detrimental and the other has statistically shown as a whole to be beneficial. Are there exceptions to the general rule? Yes.”
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Jen said, “And I am 100 percent sure I could find studies out there about bad homeschool parents out there if I researched but it doesn't matter. Because you are missing my point.”
My reply: I would welcome and enjoy ANY studies you could find that incriminated homeschooling *as a whole*. That would be an accurate way to compare and contrast daycare to homeschooling if that is the parallel you choose to draw. And Jen, you are missing my point. I want the BEST for my kids. That does not include daycare and it DOES include homeschooling because, obviously I feel it is best. And many independent studies agree.
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Jen said, “My point is that I love my kids EVERY SINGLE bit as much as you do... regardless of the fact that they went to daycare. That is where I take issue. You have never walked a day in my shoes... and just like when you get upset when people criticize you for your parenting style and how you raise your kids, it upsets me when you do the same to me. “
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Jen, can you please quote where I said that daycare parents or you specifically don’t LOVE your children as much as I do? I’ve read back and I just don’t see where I said that. If you want me to make such a blanket statement I will make it here. You, Jen, do not have IMO the best situation for your children. That is not saying you hold any fault in the situation, just that IMO daycare and public school are not the best for ANY children. And I DON’T “get upset” when people criticize my parenting style. I just assume they are stupid. And I never criticized your parenting directly. Honestly Jen, I don’t even know you. How could I?
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Jen said, “Yes, I COULD have done daycare and sold clothes on ebay... but if you would have asked me, you would have found out that I DID do daycare in my home. It just didn't work. I had people not paying, not bringing their kids on a regular schedule so that I could get paid... people who couldn't afford to pay me so they fell far behind. Therefore, it got to the point that I couldn't afford to feed my own kids and had to rely on my parents for things like diapers and food for a few months until I could get on my feet.”
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My reply: I never questioned what your situation was and why you could not do the things I proposed that *I* would do. I know *my* situation and I know my options. I know a lot of women choose not to exercise their options and hence do not put their children first. If you feel you have done everything possible to do the best for your kids then so be it. I don’t know you well enough to say otherwise.
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Jen, I commend you for finding a better daycare solution for your youngest son. I still firmly believe that home, when possible, would have been a better option for him. I know you feel that way too so I am not sure why we are having this conversation. You admit that you would RATHER stay home with them and you are home with them as much as possible. Great! Again, why are we here?
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Jen said, “That is why I take issue with the fact that you say that my kids have been affected... because maybe your bio kids have been affected by having so many siblings with problems... but then again, maybe not because you love them ALL and do everything you can to give them all the best life you can.”
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My reply: Interesting analogy. May I say that I am positive my kids have been affected by having more siblings, having siblings that are delayed, having darker siblings than they. May I also say that they were affected by our move to Missouri, the fact that we have 4 cats and we own property by a creek. It really doesn’t matter how much I love them, does it? Those things affect them everyday. So now can you still say your kids were not changed by being in daycare/public school? Everything changes us and plays into determining who we are and who we will be in the future. The difference between my situation and yours is I feel that daycare has been and will continue to be detrimental to children while my situations are ones that I feel are beneficial to my children.
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Jen said “I am really trying to be nice and civil but the tone of your response to me was very sarcastic and critical and it bothers me that you cannot even stop to think that someone else may have a different point of view than you.”
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My reply: I understand completely that you have a different point of view than I do. Can you understand that I don’t have to agree with you?
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Jen said, “I am not judging you... I think you are a great mom. I would just ask for the same respect back from you. Just because I parent differently doesn't mean I am wrong or that my kids will suffer. I think your way is great.... I just think it isn't the ONLY way to be a great parent, but you seem to think that anyone who does anything differently from you is wrong and you have to treat them with a sort of contempt like they are below you.”
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My reply: Jen, I never said you are not a great parent. As I already said I don’t know you. You know FAR more about me than I know about you. You obviously love your children and have very strong feelings about how you have provided for them. You feel you have done your best so I am not sure why my opinion of daycare should bother you. I am someone on the internet that has an opinion and I share it. I did not attack you personally nor do I imagine I would ever do so to anyone on a public forum such as this. I never said that people that do things differently than I are wrong. I clearly have feelings about what is BEST in general and those are the things I choose to participate in. Isn’t that what everyone does?
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Jen said, “I can honestly say you hurt my feelings and I should feel like that because I KNOW I am a super mom and shouldn't let your comments hurt like they did.”
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My reply: I’m sorry I hurt your feelings. That was certainly not my intention. My daycare comments were never meant to be directed at you specifically and my further replies have been about answering your questions and comments. I never meant to attack or accuse you. If you have something going on that is making you sensitive to the opinions I spout here or if we just have different styles of communication and mine rubs you the wrong way feel free to take a break from reading here. I’m sure that eventually the daycare conversation will dissipate just as the public school debate did.
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Amysconfections, thank you for pointing out the very obvious. Again I point my readers to Camilla Anderson’s blog entry. People like the results of my parenting but they are unwilling to make the sacrifices. They don’t even want us to make the sacrifices because it convicts them. So now it appears that people don’t even want me to say that I believe daycare is harmful to children or homeschooling is best. And Debbie can’t say that her sister made sacrifices that made her able to stay home with her kids. I see how it is, we all must be tolerant of another’s views unless I disagree with you in which case you can tell me I am wrong. When people yell “Oh you are judging me! How intolerant!” I say “Who are you to judge me being intolerant?” It goes both ways. Don’t come to my blog to tell me I have to agree with you. I don’t.
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Emily said:
Katie,
what is your experience with the legs of the longies. I have been knitting afgans for years, nice and square. LOL! I bought the longies pattern and have done surprisingly well with the instructions up until starting the legs. I am finding it extremely difficult with such a small working area. Any suggestions?
Also, have you checked your local Library for their prices on fines? We moved from AZ to Indiana and our local system here does not have late fees!! In Ohio, there was a maximum $5.00 fee, unles a book was lost.
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My reply: Emily, yikes…I am a relatively new knitter myself and don’t think I am qualified to explain something to you. LOL If you bought your pattern through Little Turtle Knits her website says that she is available via phone for questions.
I think the library topic has been banned in my home. I dare not bring it up again. Instead I make wishlists on Amazon and stalk the local thrift stores. J
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Barb, thanks for the verses but I don’t see any support for daycare there. Those women work. I agree with that.
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Robin, that is an interesting idea to have a separate place to keep track of Jillian’s stuff but I really can’t. Besides, what we do daily is what she is doing. I can’t imagine trying to segregate in my mind her info from the rest of the family. Not enough brain cells left after being pregnant 5 times maybe? ;) If you have specific questions because I somehow blitzed filling you guys in please ask. I’m more than happy to share in an effort to give other people hope.
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Linda, Thanks for the great comment.
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Ashley said: Also, you have inspired me to knit some longies for my little girly. Our first girl after three boys, I can hardly believe it. She is coming in March. Are you buying your wool online, or locally? I'm not really sure what kind to get, any suggestions?
Ashley aka Apronmama
http://femininepursuits.blogspot.com
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My reply: I bought the pink and purple wool at a local yarn shop and the green was purchased at 100purewool. I definitely prefer the purewool and will likely get my stuff there from now on.
And the pattern is HERE (www.littleturtleknits.com)
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Ok Megan, I’m really psyched about the whole sourdough thing now. You’ve given me lots of tips. I think tomorrow I’ll give it another go.
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Chasity, I was banned from the library by Jeff for excessive late fees…on many occasions. The fees were so high I am embarrassed to admit what they were. ;)
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Nicole, I’m not sure who “them” are and what “our side” is. I have asked several people and no one can come to a consensus. You are right in leaving if that is how you feel God is leading you. I see nothing unbiblical with being selective about your reading material if it offends you. I do wonder what kind of Christian behavior you are exhibiting by chastising me in public instead of following the model in Matthew 18 of talking to a fellow believer privately. Hmmm…it seems that some are looking at the speck in my eye while ignoring the plank in their own.
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