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 Posted by Anonymous |
| I believe what you said about Onan being punished is true (attitude) but believe that the preventing pregnancy was also part of it. It seems like the first time recorded anyone disobeys God for different sins the first time punishment is big. This was not the first bad attitude or behavior recorded in the Bible but it was the first child prevention act. God did not strike down others immediatly for attitudes so there has to be more to this than that. |
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Jul. 7, 2006 - Interesting Topic
 Posted by proudmommaof3 |
| Have you been to the www.WellTellMe.com forum started by Gabe and Rebecca? Go to the birth control subect! Lot's of opinion there. Good Stuff!
I have seen the flip side to this as well: I know several large familys who believe that they are just to have kid upon kid upon kid and they can not provide for all of these children - clothing, food, love, discipline. 1 Timothy 5:8 says: "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." I have seen these family's sit down and eat broccolli and cheese wiz with a tablespoon of hamburger cassarole(they had 10 kids and money to buy proper food) and go out and spend hundreds of $$ on tools! That person is an infidel! (The kids were sneaking food behind the parents back. They were hungry) These people thought they were "obeying" God and yet their hearts are still selfish. Debi Pearl has a good artical on this on the NOGreaterJoy.org. as well. It's under Birth Control I believe. I will counter you on the NFP - Don't you think that since God created a woman to only ovaluate once a month - the same as when you nurse it surpresses ovulation- that He is alright with this method as well. If He wasn't, wouldn't He have created it so we wouldn't know at all? I have read that back in "old testament days" that they usally planned their weddings around when they ovulated so they could get pregnant right away. They were fully aware of this then. Not only that, in knowing ovulation and being aware of how your body functions(every womens body functions differently), you can more easily determine whats going on in a womans body therefore being able to "doctor" it better. It has only been in the last 100 years with the coming of the oral contraceptives that women don't have a clue what is going on in their body. Instead women are fully reliant on their doctors in this area and sometimes to late. A women's body does need time to heal, to build back up so it can properly develop another child. A lot of health problems in baby's is due to a Mothers lack of nutrition as well and not taking care of herself. My Doctor's wife back in Montana started ovulating 6 weeks after she delivered and the last three kids were a year a part. They had 6. It was the same with friends back in Oregon. They had 7 kids in 7 years. Now, I believe God created breasting feeding for a reason and babies need to be nursed at least two years. So, do these women forsake the infants health to have another kid? Sounds like they aren't "providing for their own" and God says they have forsaken the faith and are worse than an infidel. Therefore NFP would be, I believe, God's answer to them and God's answer to all women to help with getting their bodies healthy again in between babies. My doctor's wife researched this out as well, she found that jewish women had their babies 3 years aparts, it takes the body 3 years to get back in shape(health wise) again. Coincidence, I don't think so. I also know a woman who has 6 kids and has fought breast cancer with the last three. After the 6th one she was giving up living. What would be best for these kids? The Mother dieing or living and raising her kids? All three of these family's believed all forms of stopping a life was bad. The first two ended up taken surgical majors to have no more kids - the third, the last I know the Mother just wanted to die. She had no will to live any more. But over all, I do agree with you and the context of which you used the scripture. I loved it and have thought the same thing many times. Just so you know I will be printing off the information on the oral contraceptives. If you have any more or where I could get more information I would like it. I will be sharing this information as I am lead to. |
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Jul. 7, 2006 - More onan
| Posted by proudmommaof3 |
| God killed Onan because his heart was wicked. If he had gotten Tamar pregnant the child would have been the "first borning" of Er's and entitled to everything the first born is entitled to under Jewish Law, therefore, putting Onan out. First, Onan showed no respect to his Father by not obeying the law, no respect to his brother, and his heart was obviously selfish. Therefore God killed him - not for spilling his seed but for not obeying. It says 'lest that he should give seed to his brother." This displeased the Lord so Poof.
It is interesting to note that Tamar then took thing into her own hands, slept with her Father-in-law (committed adultery) and bore twins. Which this was the lineage that Jesus' came from. |
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Jul. 7, 2006 - about above comment
 Posted by babymakers |
| It is NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, right to do wrong to do right. God would not tell you to multiply and then expect you to do the opposite for ANY reason. God did give women the knowledge about when they ovulate but I believe it is to help them get pregnant. He has only ever encouraged us to do that. If you are nursing properly then you will not ovulate and your body will have time to heal, this has RARE exceptions. As far as caring for your own....that does not give permission to obstain from childbearing. It is not right to do wrong to do right. It is God's job to provide. Plus, if a child has to live on brocolli they will not die. They are still eating. The problem is not pregnancy it is stewardship and providing. As far as Onan goes I still believe a huge part of the reason that he died was from preventing conception. Then, the to close together, cancer, health point has inspired another blog. |
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Jul. 13, 2006 - non-user, thank you very much!
 Posted by helff |
| I absolutely agree with your post. It's not just the pill either, what about IUD's, the shot, etc?
I think abortion is terrible, but isn't this kind of the same thing? It is in my eyes. What do you think about husbands having vasectomy's? Always love reading your posts!! |
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Jul. 13, 2006 - The Above Comment....
| Posted by babymakers |
| ALL those forms of birth control work the same way. They are ALL abortificants. I think a vasectomy and getting tubes tied is less wrong because at least there is no murdering of new life involved but I believe it is still wrong in the eyes of God. I never studied it out but I read that Vasectomies and getting tubes tied are both suppose to increase the risk of cancer. That is something the doctor's don't tell you!!! |
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Jul. 13, 2006 - Anwer to Interesting Topic Comment (3rd from top)
| Posted by babymakers |
| A great, informative book is Be Fruitful and Mulitply by Nancy Campbell. I got mine throught the Vision Forum but also saw it in the CBD catalog and you might be able to find it on Ebay or Amazon. They don't use the KJV but other than that is was good reading. My mind was already made up before I bought it and it sat on my shelf for at least a year before I read it and I was glad I did. It was encouraging to me to see we believed the right way scripturally and the fact that someone else out there thought the same way was encouraging. All Christians should read this when preparing for marraige. This book and Debi Pearls Help Meet book make great wedding gifts. |
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Jul. 14, 2006 - Created to be his help meet............
| Posted by helff |
| Actually, I am about 3/4 of the way through Created to be his help meet. I think it is a fantastic book and also a great wedding present. I think women make many mistakes when it comes to marriage. I think we try to become too strong of a presence. I like having my car door opened-I like making meals for my husband-I like being a stay at home mother-I like homeschooling..........I like getting back to the older way of thinking. |
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Jan. 18, 2007 - Untitled Comment
| Posted by Anonymous |
| this topic angers me because a woman is a human being too, We are not just birthing bags. If I want to have sex and I don't want to have to push a watermelon through my ****** I shouldn't have to. Even though you have good points about birth control being a form of abortion, I rather abstain then have a child. I'm a christian and i'm thankful for birth control. I'm thankful to God for my healthy happy life with intimacy and without children. |
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Jan. 18, 2007 - To Anonymous:
| Posted by babymakers |
| You said-
"a woman is a human being too, We are not just birthing bags." My response- I never said that we aren't human. I never said that we are just birthing bags. According to the WORD OF GOD it is a BLESSING to have children. It doesn't make us unsuperior to men but giving birth IS what God intends for us to do once we are married. You said- "If I want to have sex and I don't want to have to push a watermelon through my ****** I shouldn't have to." My response- You don't have to. What exactly do you think the purpose of sex is???? It is not just to gratify your flesh! It is for the purposes of making offspring. Your thought process is not in line with the natural order of God's making. You said- "I'm a christian and i'm thankful for birth control. I'm thankful to God for my healthy happy life with intimacy and without children." My response- You can be thankful all you want but your decision is not in line with the word of God. Show me one place that God encourages us to refrain from reproducing. HE DOESN'T! Just using common sense will work. You are taking UNNATURAL CHEMICALS to make your body do something that it is not designed to do. You should be thankful for the health that you have because it might not be there forever if you are on drugs. It is not God withholding the ill health either. Like I said above- God is not going to answer the prayer to keep us safe from taking chemicals and hormones any more than the drunk's prayer for liver health. It is just not going to happen. |
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LOL abstinance can't even be a form for a married couple because it says that in I Corinthians 7 about not abstaining but for a time and only for prayer and fasting. Really sounds like the Lord doesn't want us in the business of preventing children.
I know Christian women that "know" the truth about BC and yet want to hide their head in the sand and pretend ignorance. But say that if they just pray real hard for the Lord to protect them, even in their stupidity, that things will turn out all right. When has the Lord ever rewarded willful disobedience?