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Aug. 15, 2009

Test Scores Are In- Help!

I got the children's ITBS test results back and there are some things I've been thinking about. If you have any thoughts, please share!

Want to share this first- Julianna enjoying a ride on the swing.


So these are my very random thoughts after looking over their test results. Alek's composite score went down a point; Gracie's went up one. While I'm not too terribly upset about Alek's score going down, looking at the specific results for each category has me wondering about a few things.

1. Alek's overall math score went down quite a bit- 10 percentile points, actually. Now there were a couple of things at play here. We knew about these things right after he took the test when we asked him how it went- it wasn't the score that prompted us to ask. First, on one section of his math test, he had written all of his answers in the wrong section and had to erase and transfer them to the right spot. Also, since he's been working so far ahead in math for so long, he said there was one part, estimating of all things, that he hasn't done in a long time & forgot how to do it. He did poorly on that section. (well, for him- he scored in the 70th percentile on that section) Also, he did not finish all of the questions like he normally does. I don't know if having to transfer his answers affected that. Also, I've read so many mixed reviews of Teaching Textbooks that I'm HOPING that using this curriculum is not the reason his score went down. But at the same time, I KNOW he's being challenged and learning a lot in math. So confused.

2. BOTH of the children did poorly in the capitalization section of the test. So hmmm... should I find some material for them to help them learn the rules of capitalization? They both scored above average (Gracie slightly; Alek WAY HIGH) in the language portion of the test. Capitalization was a weak point for both of them though.

3. I'm also concerned, and wondering how concerned I should be, when it comes to Gracie's ability to get the questions answered in a timely manner. In other words, how important do you think it is for a child to be able to finish all questions (or most anyway) in a timed test? At this age (to be in 5th grade)? Should I have her start working on it now? Worry later? Math is not her thing. Never has been, probably won't ever be. On any portion of the test that had math questions, she obviously slowed her pace WAY down. Out of 111 math related questions, she only answered 67 of them. And of course she didn't get all of those right. So I'm thinking of putting Gabe &  Gracie together, working as partners, drilling each other on math facts using flash cards. I was having them do Quarter Mile Math but it'd be quicker just to whip out the flash cards. But as far as test taking speed- leave it alone for now? Work on timed test-taking skills?

4. When these types of questions pop up in my head, the first thing I ask myself is, "What do you think GOD wants you to do? Does He care if Gracie can do math problems within a specified time frame? What is His best for these children?" And really, I don't think there is a clear answer. In a way, I think, yes, I think God would like our children to be shining examples of the homeschool movement and to do our best in everything. But then I also think, no, I really don't think God cares about timed math test. I think He cares more about our character and THAT is where we should shine. I flip flop back and forth on this a lot.

5. Another thought. I just looked at Alek's math scores one more time. You know, he got 100% of the questions he answered CORRECT under "Math Computation". But he didn't answer 7 questions, so that brought his score down on that section. And on the "Concepts & Estimation" section, not counting the estimation subsection, he only got 2 problems wrong + didn't answer one question. On the estimation portion, the part he KNEW he didn't do as well on, he only answered 7 out of 10 questions and got 3 of those wrong. So really, I don't think I can blame Teaching Textbooks. He did quite well. He just needs to work on his speed & maybe we need to look over the typical scope & sequence for math for his grade level & see if there are any topics he needs to review at the end of each year so he doens't get stuck like that again. That was frustrating for my perfectionist child.

6. Maybe I shouldn't even read the test results.

7. If I do continue to read the test results, maybe I should avoid looking too much into them.

8. I also should avoid blogging in the daytime, when my thoughts are interrupted 4,367 times by young children. Maybe my posts would be more coherent. And the children would have my attention.

9. That is why most of my posts mainly contain photos. I don't have to do a lot of thinking posting a photo.

10. Amen.

I've enjoyed keeping up with my friends here- the back to school posts are exciting yet making me nervous as I am NOT READY to start school back up. We have thoroughly enjoyed this summer and I'm not ready for it to end. Mostly. Some days I AM ready for more structure to our days and getting back into a good routine. See? Flip. Flop. Hmm... flip flops. I want to go to the beach...
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Aug. 15, 2009 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
I love reading your thoughts, no matter what....and they didn't seem disjointed to me! Then again, maybe we're both incredibly ADD & I just don't recognized disjointed thoughts when I see them because they look so much like my own. ha ha!

First, I think you're absolutely right on one point -- look at the test results, but try not to obsess over every point. The overall picture is that your kids are smart little things & you're doing a great job, mama! And yes, God is farrrrrrr more concerned about their character than whether or not they can correctly answer 400 math problems in 5 minutes. :)

Second, and this is just a random idea, feel free to take it or leave it. In my kids' classes @ their schools, they have to take a standardized test once a year to see how they're doing. One thing the teachers have to push is speed in the math portion because a lot of kids (my youngest for example!) would do just like Gracie. She'd end up not finishing because she was worried about the details along the way. So, to prep them for that, they have a sheet of 20-ish simple math problems that they work through each day. The goal is to finish all of the problems in a set period of time & flip the paper over to show that you're done. They then count how many they completed & their goal the next day is to get 1 more done than the day before (or the week before or the month before....just a continual progression). It's not for a grade, so there isn't any pressure to do it perfectly every time and if you mess up & put the wrong answer, you're not going to lose out on anything else because of it. It's just a personal competition with themselves to work toward being able to finish up quickly. I don't know if that's helpful or not, but I thought I'd mention it!

Liz
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Aug. 15, 2009 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Haflingerhorses
Hi Alyssa,
Your post reminds me of when I homeschooled my first two. Every summer, I analyzed those results to the standard achievement tests, micro analyzed them again, and then spent the entire summer working on the upcoming year goals. Yes, it did help, I guess, in bringing up each years overall grade results, but, I think it also robbed me of the joy I could have been having with my kids; and it made me, many times, feel that I needed to shorten the time spent on Bible, or character issues, in order to get to the "important things" like the things that would reflect on the end grade result.


Now, the kids are married, with children. It does not matter one iota what they learned in the knowledge department, in the big scheme of things. The things that matter are the character issues, and our relationship with them (my husband and myself) and with their younger siblings. These are the things that will bring you grief (lack of character and integrity) or will make you proud and happy that you invested that time in them (which I totally am).

You are not going to regret that they did not learn as fast as other children, or learned everything without any gaps, but you will care about all the things that really count in life.

With my oldest two, although I spent a lot of time in the Bible, I had duel goals - educational and godly, which sounds good in theory, except that we only have so much time in a day and I about went to the nut house trying to "do it all."


I am so thankful that God gave me another opportunity to do this again (we have almost a ten year difference between the first two and the next set of four). I relax way more this time around, and live in a day to day knowledge of how quickly this time with them is speeding right by me. I enjoy all the "little things", even cherishing in my heart little moments like being able to tuck my son's shirt into his jeans as he goes into a classrom setting (at a seminar we are attending this week.) I am so blessed to be able to do this again (my oldest son is 26 and youngest son is 8; my oldest daughter is 28 and my youngest daughter is 10).

My vote is cast for Alyssa to finish enjoying her summer!
Antoinette
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Aug. 16, 2009 - Untitled Comment

Posted by 40winkzzz
I'm too lazy at the moment to really come up with any comments regarding your kids' test scores, other than to suggest you move to michigan where testing is not required and ignorance is bliss. (i don't mean ignorant children; i mean i as a homeschool parent can be blissfully ignorant about how my kids would "measure up" to school kids. :-)

as for not being ready to start school yet, don't feel bad; i'm not either, which is usual at this time of year. august in mi is still very much "summer", as mi public schools start after labor day (by state law), and many charter & private schools follow suit. we've done a wee bit of "summer school", but i am in no way ready to start the "new" school year. i really need to get thinking and planning...
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Aug. 18, 2009 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Juliestew
Ok, here's my "not that important" two cents.
I think you should relax where Gracie and Alex are concerned. Capitalization is maybe something that should be readdressed this year and worked on a bit.
With that said some kids just don't test well but doing some speed drills may help. We do those at home with math and with some LA. I've bought both from Abeka. Email me if you want any more info on that.
And I think since Alex is working so far ahead maybe you could do a review but let him work at his pace. He may be just super duper at Math.
But homeschooling is all about being able to take a child and work with their strengths and weaknesses. None of my kids follow "the model student" but then again what really is the model student. As long as they are working hard and to the best of their ability I'm happy. I hated some subjects in school and loved others. And I think that is okay. Some things we are good at, others we are not.
But I do get all worked up sometimes too. Just remember "Peace. Be still."
Oh.....I needed to be reminded of that today too. Thanks for allowing me to remind myself not to worry.
Love......
julie
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Aug. 18, 2009 - Alyssa

Posted by chris36
Hi! First of all, thank you for commenting. You lifted my spirits by saying "great pics". I aim to be as good of a photographer as you are. I love the pictures of your children. Also, I wrote a post with you in mind. "How Did This Happen?". You're right, I needed to tell our story. Thank you.

I love reading your posts about testing. We are unable to test our boys officially here. It is helpful reading what is going on with yours because many times I know that my children are struggling with the same concepts. I have Quarter Mile too. It hasn't helped us too much yet. But, we bought Timez Attack and that was really helpful. We had to encourage the kids to use it at least 15 minutes a day, but the timed test at the end is extremely helpful. However, I do think that Gracie is very diligent and that is definitely more important than speed right now.

Thank you for sharing.

Love,
Chris
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Aug. 18, 2009 - Untitled Comment

Posted by carit
I say who cares about standardized tests. : ) I was one of those students whose test results NEVER reflected my true ability. First and foremost, do your children love the Lord and desire to please Him? Do they enjoy the learning process? Can they find information if they need to? Will they have capitalization down by the time they graduate high school? If they don't, will it keep them out of Heaven? No. I think there are a lot more important things to focus on than standardized test scores. Just my opinion. : )
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Aug. 19, 2009 - Untitled Comment

Posted by crazybusy
You all are awesome. :) THANK YOU for your replies! I LOVED each and every one of them. You all reflected parts of my heart. Is it possible to agree with this many different answers all at once? It must be, because I do!
Thank you, ladies!!!!!
Love, Alyssa
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Aug. 20, 2009 - Tests

Posted by basketflat
Personally, I don't think I'd be too concerned about test taking skills until like highschool and then only as prep for college. The benefit I would think in looking at the test results would be seeing where there are gaps like capitalization skills and math review. Maybe supplement math if you aren't happy with the curriculum. I had one Mom at the girls' dance who swears by Teaching Textbooks after 4th grade. I don't know I'm happy with Saxon so far (through 3rd), but I cut down on the amount of math per day. I thought there were holes in Math U See. Family Math and Shoebox Math are two books with fun math activities for supplementing. Here is a neat post about "living math" (like "living books" but for math) http://jimmiescollage.com/2009/01/living-math-is-not-quick-or-neat/

Cathy
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Aug. 20, 2009 - Math Post

Posted by basketflat
Hi Alyssa-

Sorry I gave you the wrong post on that last comment. Here is the right one:

http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/Jimmie/675129/

and

http://www.squidoo.com/transitioning-to-living-math

Cathy
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Aug. 25, 2009 - ROFL!

Posted by CelticMom
Oh My Goodness, Alysa~

*BREATHE* Girl, Breathe!!

Wow. Now that the blood is circulating all the way up again, I'm going to tell you something with all love. Right before you listed "Maybe I shouldn't read the test scores..." I thought to myself "Girl, put that sheet down and go hug your babies!" Sounds to me like Alek is doing just fine, Gracie will need a good calculator to figure the grocery budget, lol, and you're doing a great job with them. Can I tell you a little secret? Zach is far ahead in maths (oldest son, 15), but Nick is dragging, like Gracie (he's 11). I'm not stressing about it - refuse to let myself, because a person is more than just the sum of their parts (excuse the really bad pun). Zach was behind in maths, but is now ahead, and I still don't know how that happened, LOL! It wasn't any special worry or vigilance on my part - he just one day "got it" and was caught up. You've worried about this for a long time, and Gracie and you are both doing your level best to keep her up to speed, and sweetie - it IS enough. She's going to be just fine. Relax, enjoy your children, and make learning a natural progression of life, not a score-oriented goal. You are a terrific mother and wonderful teacher. It's okay. You aren't failing. Each child works at their own pace and in accordance with their own gifts, and it's your job to enhance that - not improve upon God's gifts to them. You are in good company - none of us has all the answers. The best we can do is what Charlotte Mason said: "Each day, make sure your child has 1) someone or something to love, 2) something to do, and 3) something to think about."

I hope you took this in the spirit of love that it is given - I admire you tremendously and so enjoy our friendship. Breathe, Momma - your babies are doing just fine. And yes, I believe character training is FAR more important than that ole book-learnin', lol.

love,
Shani
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Aug. 26, 2009 - Well, I'd be!

Posted by seasonsmom
Well, how timely are the tests? I just received my oldest son's test results too! I am in the same exact boat. Why was his capitalization one of the 3 things he was below average? beats me! Oh, see, I didn't capitalize beats! Hmm, but that's the key arrow, or is it? I didn't give the other kids the expensive tests (it was right before the move, so an extra 160 was not a necessity to spend at the time, though I'd really like to have known where they were). But, I totally AMEN you on the character. Yes, our academics are important. But God wants our kids to be after his own heart and the rest will fall in place. Glad you shared that. Check your mail for continuation...LOL!
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