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May 16, 2007 - When Narration Is Difficult

I’ll not dwell here on the importance of narration.

That has been done very well by many others more eloquent and

much more expert than I. Here's a wonderful article by Maryellen St. Cyr.

Assuming that we agree on the importance of narration as an indispensable learning tool, what about the child who is completely frustrated by it?

 

I agree with Charlotte Mason’s description of the art of narration:

“Narrating is an art, like poetry-making or painting, because it is there, in every child's mind, waiting to be discovered, and is not the result of any process of disciplinary education. A creative fiat calls it forth.”

 

But, I have to disagree with her on this point:

 

"Let him narrate; and the child narrates, fluently, copiously, in ordered sequence, with fit and graphic details, with a just choice of words, without verbosity or tautology, so soon as he can speak with ease."

 

No, I cannot say that this has been true for both of the children at my house. In fact, almost everyone I know who has tried to put Charlotte Mason’s ideas into practice has at least one bright, lovely child who really struggles with narration.   

 

Here is what I’ve learned so far:

 

One child at my house narrates all day long. This chap has been a prolific writer and artist since learning to hold a pencil.  He can (and does!) chat throughout the duration of our daily two-mile walk. In fact, he often finds it difficult to stop talking long enough to brush his teeth at bedtime! Whenever we read a story, he “paints” a picture in his mind like a large sweeping mural. It is very easy, then, for this chatty guy to describe, or “narrate” upon, this large “brain mural” with vivid detail. He often charms me with some wonderful little additions that he has added to the story with his own mental paintbrush. Creative narration, for him, is like breathing. You want a graphic novel version of D’Aulaires’ Greek Myths? Sure, no problem.

 

In the other extreme, my daughter is quiet (probably because she cannot get a word in edgewise with all the chatty people around her). She’s intelligent, patient, mathematically and musically inclined, craft-ily dexterous, loves to play thinking games, and makes lists "just for the fun of it". It appears that she favors a left-brain (hemisphere) thinking style; her list-making hobby is a big clue here. So, what happens after a delicious tale filled with vivid imagery and new ideas is read to (or by) such a thinker? When asked to narrate, she would simply say, “I can’t.” Or, she would give a vague, terse answer clouded by genuine frustration.

 

That used to be so puzzling to me. Surely such a bright child, who had comprehended and focused her attention on the story, should be able to narrate. Why was it impossible to retell it from her own unique perspective? Obviously she wanted to, but was unable to put her thoughts into words.

Finally, F-I-N-A-L-L-Y (I can be so very dense sometimes…Moo...) it dawned on me:

She was thinking in “list format”, rather than in images.

 

Imagine the mind of a “list maker”: She is intent upon the story, listening carefully and mentally making a long, detailed list of characters and their attributes, actions, conversations, surroundings, etc. And every time the author changes the scene just a tiny bit, this child makes a new list in her mind-- until she has made list, upon list, upon list of all of the changing elements in the story. When asked for a narration after just a few minutes of reading, she already has an enormous pile of lists in her brain! Our poor student doesn’t know where to begin to analyze and condense this huge heap of lists into one quick little narration.

DANGER: LEFT BRAIN OVERLOAD!!!! 

Do you recognize this thinking style… this bright, but verbally frustrated child? Did Charlotte Mason have students like this? Surely, she must have.

 

I came upon this in Vol. 6:

"Now a passage to be memorised requires much conning, much repetition, and meanwhile the learners are 'thinking' about other matters, that is, the mind is not at work in the act of memorising. To read a passage with full attention and to tell it afterwards has a curiously different effect. M. Bergson makes the happy distinction between word memory and mind memory, which, once the force of it is realised, should bring about sweeping changes in our methods of education.

Trusting to mind memory we visualise the scene, are convinced by the arguments, take pleasure in the turn the sentences and frame our own upon them; in that particular passage or chapter has been received us and become a part of us just as literally as was yesterday's dinner; nay, more so, for yesterday's dinner is of little account tomorrow; but several months, perhaps hence, we shall be able to narrate the passage we had, so to say, consumed and grown upon with all the vividness, detail and accuracy of the first telling. All powers of the mind which we call faculties have brought into play in dealing with the intellectual matter thus afforded; so we may not ask questions to help the child to reason, paint fancy pictures to help him to imagine, draw out moral lessons to quicken his conscience. These things take place as involuntarily as processes of digestion." pp. 173-174.

 

“We must visualize the scene.” Yes! This is what unlocks the key to narration for my analytical child. We have found this to be enormously helpful, and it’s so very simple. Before a reading, I remind her to picture the scene as we read. We pause just before the “picture” begins to change, and I ask her to tell me what she sees in her mind’s eye…just the way she sees it, emphasizing what matters to her--

to narrate with joy and detail. What a difference this has made.

 

WE MUST TREAD CAREFULLY

The child’s “mental picture” may be a little fuzzy at first. But be patient with your child, and her imagination can be exercised and strengthened in a gentle and playful way. Slowly, you can work up to longer readings, but please do not require narration of “X” number of paragraphs or pages just because you’ve read that “by age eight or nine, part or all of a short chapter can be narrated…” or some such rule of thumb. It is not necessarily true! How I wish that I had ignored such advice years ago.

 

Another very unhelpful bit of advice is: to read just one sentence to a reluctant narrator then ask her to narrate only that one sentence (with the eventual goal of working up to longer passages). I really don't recommend doing a silly exercise like this with a child of normal intelligence unless you want her to feel condescended to. I can hear Charlotte admonishing us, “The child is not a parrot!”  This tactic can be confusing to the analytical child who might get the mistaken idea that narration means repeating the story word-for-word. I think it works much better to be aware of the “mental picture” as it’s being painted, and then to stop and tell about it just before it begins to change significantly.

As you read together, silently imagine the scene along with your child. If you are brave, take a turn being the narrator--- it’s not as easy as you might think!

 

I hope this might be helpful to parents who are struggling, and I’d love to hear how others have helped their reluctant narrators. 

* Would You Like To Comment?

May 17, 2007 - Another great post!

Posted by Betty
Thanks, Ann. I have a son like your daughter. I have another son who is the always chatty, never lets anyone else get a word in child. It's hard to keep a balance between the two and it's hard to draw out my quiet one. You've given me alot of ideas.

Many Blessings,
Betty
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May 17, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Kristie
Yes, narration has often been a strain here. I have one who would narrate every little detail of a chapter of Narnia till I thought my hand would fall off (in my early years of homelearning, before I let my narrations be more open air!), and one who would balk at a page. Often after a great section of a book it is me who doesn't want to request a narration- somehow it seems anticlimactic or forced after a great time together (this is a balancing act at times!).

One interesting thing that happenned her, that really surprised me, was to see one of my older children begin to narrate clearly when they began doing written narrations. Orally it has always been difficult for this one to see the big picture and describe it (maybe like your child), but on paper it seems to flow more for him, even though writing is still difficult for him at times.

One of my other older children is however a highly artistic type- can't see the trees for the forest. She can make sweeping summaries and connections at the wink of an eye.

I had never looked at my children's learning styles in the department of narration- but this has been a good eye opener for me. I think I will try the 'picture' idea with my son.

Thanks for the inspirational posts on CMs writings. Like you, I have opted out of our 'homeschooling fairs'. I have done so much reading, followed so many different ideas, but CMs ideas seem to be the ones that nourish us, and also simplify my days and my headspace (which helps the whole household!)

Thanks again for your words,
Kristie
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May 17, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Kristie
Yes, narration has often been a strain here. I have one who would narrate every little detail of a chapter of Narnia till I thought my hand would fall off (in my early years of homelearning, before I let my narrations be more open air!), and one who would balk at a page. Often after a great section of a book it is me who doesn't want to request a narration- somehow it seems anticlimactic or forced after a great time together (this is a balancing act at times!).

One interesting thing that happenned here, that really surprised me, was to see one of my older children begin to narrate clearly when he began doing written narrations. Orally it has always been difficult for this one to see the big picture and describe it (maybe like your child), but on paper it seems to flow more for him, even though writing is still difficult for him at times.

One of my other older children is, however, a highly artistic type- 'can't see the trees for the forest'. She can make sweeping summaries and connections at the wink of an eye.

I had never looked at my children's learning styles in thecontext of narration- but this has been a good eye opener for me. I think I will try the 'picture' idea with my son.

Thanks for the inspirational posts on CMs writings. Like you, I have opted out of our 'homeschooling fairs'. I have done so much reading, followed so many different ideas, but CMs ideas seem to be the ones that nourish us, and also simplify my days and my headspace (which helps the whole household!)

Thanks again for your words,
Kristie
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May 17, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Kristie
Sorry...
I tried to go back and correct some of my rushed, late night typing and ended up double posting.

Blessings
Kristie
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May 18, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
Betty, I'm glad you found something useful here.
Isn't it interesting (and more fun) to have children who differ so much, and yet, are siblings and friends?

Kristy, Yes, written narrations are somewhat easier for my daughter, too.
And, please don't worry-- I can't even type well during broad daylight! LOL!

~Ann
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May 21, 2007 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
I came across your blog from "Higher Up and Further In" blog. This post intrigues me. My oldest daughter (7) is just like yours. Very left-brained and "list-y". I have a question for you. If narration is to be the reinforcement of what is learned, if it is to replace the conventional method of testing and worksheets, what should I be doing in the meantime, while my daughter is just LEARNING to narrate? Is she still learning and retaining, even though she can't verbalize it? Should she have worksheets or something to "tide us over"? I'm thinking the answer is no, but I want to know why, or what your response is to this dilemma.

Thanks!

~Jana
http://www.joybox.typepad.com
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May 21, 2007 - Narration ideas for the list-y child

Posted by Anonymous
Hi Jana,

As you work through the slow and gentle process of helping her find her narrative "voice" there are a couple of things that might work nicely for her:

If she's a list maker, then by all means ask her to make a list of things from the reading that she feels are interesting or important. For example, my dd once made a hilarious "Do and Don't List" of social manners for party guests after reading about the mishaps of the March sisters in one chapter of Little Women. Lists can be very interesting narrations!

Another thing you might try-- ask her to make up 5 questions (or however many she wants) about the reading-- a little quiz-- for you to take. One must think carefully about the reading to formulate good questions. I think it requires much more thought to be the "Quiz Maker" than to be the "Quiz Taker".

My daughter also likes to make charts and diagrams
sometimes. These can also be a good way for her to process and organize the ideas herself (without a worksheet). She made a family tree diagram to refer to when she read D'Alaires' Greek Myths.

Don't give up on descriptive oral narration, just go slowly and take turns narrating with her. Keep the mood lighthearted and gentle.

I hope these ideas are helpful to you.
Carry on, Brave Soul!

~Ann
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August 11, 2007 - great

Posted by Jimmie
This is a great article too! My daughter is very right brained, though, so narration is pretty natural for her. I'm sure this article will help many.

I've linked it (and your other narration article)
here www.squidoo.com/cmbasics.
And your art entry is linked here
www.squidoo.com/cmartiststudy

I enjoy your posts and have subscribed to your blog.
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September 17, 2008 - that's me!

Posted by JamieLee
Wow--I think you just described me! It's amazing how many times I can do a reading aloud and even manage to read it enthusiastically and with voice inflections & such, yet have no idea what I've read and be thinking of other things at the same time. And list making? If that was an Olympic sport, I'd have at least a silver medal.

I think my daughter is this way somewhat, so I may have to try this picture painting stuff for us both. Thanks for sharing.
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September 21, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
Great post. I just forwarded to a couple of CM/ autism groups I am on. very very helpful- practical info! thanks!
amy
http://www.growing-fruit.blogspot.com/
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