Our Quiverfull
Mar. 6, 2008
The Vancomycin Follies

Posted in Noah Updates

It's official.  Vancomycin should come with a warning from the Surgeon General: "Warning!  Vancomycin may be hazardous to your MENTAL heath."  I know it has been hazardous to my mental health, and I wish someone had warned ME!  :-)

My mental decline began when I got the phone call from ID the other day saying that Noah still has C. Diff.  We'd been hoping - really, really hoping - that the second round of Flagyl had done the trick.  C. Diff toxins are incredibly nasty and capable of performing all sorts of awful stunts in the human body.  We had also wanted the Flagyl to work because we DIDN'T want to resort to vanc.  Noah's had it so much (always IV) and because he will probably need it in the future, resistance is an issue.  I'll be honest - this was enough to get me a bit stressed out and, well, worried.

I faced the worry, went to God, and was ready to move on . . . to the pharmacy, that is.  When the lady handed me the little bag of capsules and asked me for $150, I smiled and figured she had forgotten to factor in our insurance.  Nope.  We paid $150 for a week of oral vanc.  Insurance had paid $586.  Oral vanc. must be soooome stuff to command a price like that for a week.  It was probably silly of me to be shocked, because goodness knows that is a drop in the bucket compared to things like TPN, but you need to remember that my mental faculties were already compromised.  :-)

The instructions on the prescription said to open the capsules and put one in Noah's g-tube every six hours.  We weren't sure if that was every six hours as in "set your alarm and get up in the middle of the night and live like a zombie 'til the c. diff. is gone," or if it meant "get four doses a day from when you get up until you go to bed."  We decided to wait overnight and ask ID yesterday.  I was happy (oh, so happy) to hear that it was the latter.  I really don't love doing meds in the middle of the night!

The rest seemed incredibly straightforward - just pop the little critters open, mix with water,shoot in the g-tube.  No problem . . . . or so I thought.  I pried open one of these priceless little capsules last night and tried to dump the powder into my little cup of water.  There was no powder.  The capsule appeared to be filled with concrete.  I tried to no avail to dissolve the entire thing in water and just ended up with a gooey (expensive) mess.

I called the pharmacist this morning.  She confidently told me she would put me on hold for a minute and get right back to me.  Quite some time later she got back on the line (sounding slightly less confident) and told me that A) all of their capsules were also rock-hard, B) she had called some other pharmacists and THEIR capsules were rock hard, and C) yes, indeed, it would seem difficult to put these into a g-tube, but she was going to put me back on hold and figure something out.  Another long wait on hold.  I read No Greater Joy and nursed the baby before a decidedly shaken-sounding pharmacist got back on the line and told me that she and her staff had been experimenting with vanc capsules and pretty much only succeeded in shattering them.  We agreed to have her look into it and just call me back.

When she called back, she sounded more like herself and told me that they had done some research on vanc.  The capsules are indeed supposed to be filled with concrete (sorry, the medical term is "Really, Really Hard Stuff.").  She carefully read her Top Secret Pharmacists Eyes Only instructions to me.  "All" I had to do was to use a sharp implement to cut away the capsule material (those who know me, Kate the Klutz, are already trembling), then put the Really Really Hard Stuff in hot water for 30 minutes.  I was tickled pink.  After all, how hard could this be if the instructions said to do it?  I grabbed some sharp scissors, a sharp knife, and a cutting board; made James promise to take me to the ER if I cut my finger off; and I went to it.

A few minutes later my dining room was covered in teensy shards of very expensive Really Really Hard Stuff with bits of capsule coating stuff still attached to them.  On a positive note, I did still have all of my fingers.  I was hesitant to destroy more than a couple of the capsules given their price tag, so I conceded defeat, grabbed the remaining capsules and as many shards as I could find (they can fly pretty far) and headed to the pharmacy.

The pharmacist seemed to feel my pain.  I may have had a slightly deranged gleam in my eyes.  At any rate, she quickly offered to "just peel off the capsule coating real quick" for me.  That sounded like a very good plan so I sat down with Mary Faith to wait.  I held her.  I nursed her.  I chatted with passers-by about how very cute she is, etc. The line at the pharmacy began to grow longer since at least one pharmacist was tied up with my capsules.  Mary Faith finally fell asleep on my shoulder and I fell asleep soon after.

An hour later I woke up.  At first I worried that I had slept through my name being called, but I needn't have worried.  About 15 minutes later the pharmacist came up to me holding 40 ziplock bags,each containing assorted bits of Really Really Hard Stuff - minus the capsule coating.  She DEFINITELY had a deranged gleam in her eyes when she told me that she never quite expected it to take so long.  She assured me that each bag held all of the necessary shards to equal one dose of vanc. 

She also told me that she really hoped that one week of vanc would be all that was needed to wipe out Noah's C. Diff.

I am absolutely positive that she meant it.

Love,
Kate

P.S.  THANK YOU all for your ideas and offers regarding clothes for Noah!  I will be checking out the links and contacting some of you in the next couple of days.  I've gotten some terrific new leads to follow and I am very excited.  It is wonderful to see that there are larger-size clothes available!  Some of you have tube-fed children and may be interested in this site:  www.tummytunnels.com    We looked at it when Noah was tube-fed but didn't have a chance to order before he ended up switching to TPN.  Unfortunately, the nature of his central line and TPN means that tummy tunnels, buttonholes, cutting off the feet of his jammies, etc. won't work.  His line extends out of his chest.  The HUGE TPN bag has a line that can't be detached from the bag once we spike it in.  The end of the bag line is attached to his central line when we hook him up.  Even if it worked to thread the bag line through a button hole or the feet of a sleeper, we would have to disconnect and re-access his line to undress him.  Every time we access the line we need to flush with saline and we increase the risk of infection.  It is hard to unhook and rehook his TPN without violating sterile procedure and needing to redo some part of the tubing/valves/etc.  I don't know if that makes sense, but this works a lot differently than tube feeding in terms of how the lines relate to each other.  However, maybe some of those types of ideas will help moms with feeding tubes to deal with!! 

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Mar. 6, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by lahbluebonnet


We are still praying for all of you! I don't comment much but I read every entry! I've been through my share of med issues, but this definitely takes the cake. I will be praying that these "newly released" capsules will do the trick!
Blessings,
Laurie


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by hallfamily8


Thank you for giving me a wonderful laugh with that story! Praying that one week does it!!!

Love, Dawn
www.caringbridge.org/visit/susannahall


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by ChristianUnschooling


This post just had me rolling the whole time. I know it probably is only funny in hindsight, so thanks for sharing what was likely painful and frustrating. Hey, at least the pharmacist gets PAID!

Elissa


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Mar. 6, 2008 - caps

Posted by merry4mom


I'm sorry this happened to you. But I hope you do not mind that you made me laugh through it. I know it was much easier for me to laugh than it was for you. Praying that Noah does not have to have anymore really, really hard stuff. You poor thing.

JoJo


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Thank you for your positive attitude

Posted by Kathleen


Katie, Peace and joy. Jeff and your children are blessed to have such a positive mom. Thank you
*U* Kathleen who has her own challenges and needed the uplift.


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Oh, good LANDS!

Posted by Liz in OK


I was scared to read your email ... thinking that news today could not be good.

Thus we were Ever So Relieved to find out that you'd just had a "I'm Losing My Mind" experience rather than a "Running to the Hospital" experience!

Everyone knows that mothers don't really NEED their minds anyway, right?


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous


My son has had C. Diff for MONTHS as well. We did a round of Flagyl and it was still positive. Instead of doing more antibiotics we started giving him probiotics daily(VSL #3) and it's been kept at bay. Now it's still there but only flares up once in a while. My son also has suspected mito. I know our kids aren't the same and maybe you're already using probiotics but I know they sure helped us! :)

Nicole(www.caringbridge.org/visit/emericswiers)


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Crazy days

Posted by tsparvin


Kate, I walk my dog for about 30 minutes every morning and you are in my prayers.

Be blessed!


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Mar. 6, 2008 - You've got a great sense of humor

Posted by rebeccahuff


I guess you must have been saying to yourself, If I don't laugh I'll cry... that story sounds so frustrating (if it is happening to you!) but the way you told it made it sound so hilarious. You must have the best sense of humor of any mom on the planet! Keep smiling!


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Mar. 6, 2008 - What to say?

Posted by DonnaC


I don't really know, but I can pray and I will and have been!

On the keeping things tucked in... Here's an option I found online. http://www.shirtgartersinc.com/ (They clip shirts to tops of socks, and it looks like mostly for adults.... different, but might be helpful...)

I remember buying these clippy type things when Mike was a toddler... They would attach to the bottom of his shirt and go under the crotch and clip to the back side of the shirt, keeping it tucked in.

I don't know the key word to help me in a google search. They look very similar to the elastic things you clip onto the bottom sheet, then run under the mattress to clip onto the other side of the bed's bottom sheet - to keep the bottom sheet flat on the bed.

Maybe there is something you guys can come up with to make life easier... I hope this helps the brain storming at least.

Ever praying,
Donna C
http://donnac.com


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Mar. 6, 2008 - vanc question

Posted by Anonymous


So can he not get it through his picc? Does it need to go into his g to work better in his bowel for the c-diff? We have gotten IV meds to be given by mouth or g before. Can they do this with the vanc?
:) Melody
www.caringbridge.org/visit/natalieholmes


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Mar. 6, 2008 - oral vancomycin

Posted by Anonymous


Kate,

I read my husband (a critical care nurse) your vanc. follies. When I finished, he said he had given vanc via NG tube frequently. He pulled up his handy dandy PDA with his drug information. Vancomycin comes in an oral powder for suspension. Why, oh why, didn't the doctors just prescribe that?

If Noah needs another round of vanc, ask for this so you can avoid the deranged look in your eyes and the eyes of your pharmacist. :^) Actually, I'm praying that he won't need a second round, but if not, we wanted to pass on the info.


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Mar. 6, 2008 - WOW

Posted by jkiessling


I hate to laugh................I know that you were not laughing at the time, but I can see the picture! I have a visiual!!
I am sorry for your rough day - it's over! We hope!

We prayer that it will only get better!

Hugs & Prayers & Blessings from the Kiessling family from Fresno, California


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Mar. 6, 2008 - Good to find humor on days like you had today!

Posted by Kathy


Sorry to hear about your pharmaceutical ordeal.
Glad the pharmacist had the ultimate "fun" in the end.
Pray God have mercy on Noah and during the next 10 days the c-diff will be knocked out, once and for all.
May you all have good rest tonight!


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Mar. 7, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous


I really do not like seeing so many posts again! It was much nicer when there was nothing new to report! Thanks again though for a creative writing lesson for Ben. :) Praying for you all.

Lynnette et al


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Mar. 7, 2008 - hello

Posted by Anonymous


Just popping by to wish you all grand Irish luck in the week ahead.
Charlene & Becky/Ones Who Care


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Mar. 7, 2008 - :)

Posted by Anonymous


Oh my- that would probably be enough to send me to the loony bin too!!!

I had found these special needs onesies awhile ago. THey are expensive but go all the way up to size 4T and have big snap flaps in the front for access to broviacs (and g tubes). Maybe they would be useful, or at least give you creative ideas :)

http://www.bundiebaby.com/store_bundie.html

Jessica
Mom to Eithene (19 mos with VACTERL Association)
www.caringbridge.org/visit/eithenerosehilliard


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Mar. 8, 2008 - vanc

Posted by Anonymous


Just a thought about the recent "cement" issues...
Should you need more of them, and the coating is the gelatin type capsule, then maybe you can use a pistol and mortar (spelling?) to pulverize the stuff. Sounds like you'll need the marble kind so it doesn't break while getting the job done. :-) I've used that system for other tablets that needed pulverizing and it's always worked very well.
All that aside, my prayers are with you all.


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Mar. 9, 2008 - Vanc.

Posted by nrenick


You certainly have more patience than any woman I know! Thanks for sharing this story with us. By the way, if Noah does need more vanc. my husband (also a pharmacist) suggested going to a compounding pharmacy and having them put it into a solution for you.
Blessings to you and your beautiful family!


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Mar. 9, 2008 - I feel your pain

Posted by Anonymous


Kate,
I read your BLOG daily, but don't usually post. I had to chuckle as I read your description of trying to give vanco. through a g-tube...I've been there and I can feel your pain, and know that crazed look!

I used to work in a group home and had a resident with MERSA. We had to use Vanco. in her g-tube for a while. The first time she got it was during my midnight shift shortly after I had been certified to pass meds. I managed to break the shell open, pick off all the coating with my fingers (gloves went away for that one) and crush the "cement" with a mortar and pestal. It more or less dissolved then, in 10cc of warm water. We always flushed that one with at least an additional 10cc water. I can totally feel your pain!

Carly
carlyb@rochester.rr.com


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Mar. 10, 2008 - Thank you for sharing

Posted by Anonymous


Oh Kate, I am sorry you had to go through this, but thank you so much for sharing your ordeal. It made me laugh!

I hope you can find an alternative, like others have suggested, if Noah needs to be on it for mor than a week.

Blessings and prayers,
Theresa for the Goulds


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