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18 September 2008

Are We STILL Having This Conversation?

 

My daughters are the products of homeschooling. They have not spent a single day as students in public or private school classrooms. They have had the same teacher and the same classmates every day for the last 18 years. Two have graduated and moved into "the real world" where unsocialized homeschoolers are supposed to crash and burn. I have no crashes or fires to report. My daughters are articulate, accomplished, disciplined, and socially well-adjusted. They have become normal adults.

 

At this point I should be able to rest on my laurels. I should never again have to justify my decision to homeschool. I did it. It worked. Right?

 

Apparently not.

 

We had dinner with a friend a few weeks ago. But not just any friend. This friend knows us, and our children, well. She’s actually a homeschooling friend, though she hasn’t homeschooled for a few years. Over dinner, we talked about a mutual friend with a daughter starting kindergarten. I guess that opened the door.

"So what are you going to do with Jimmy?"

Not understanding what she was really asking, I supplied the answer I thought she was looking for.  "He’s only 4, but I’m going to start him in Kindergarten part-time this year. He seems ready. He knows his alpha…"

"No, I mean, are you going to put him in school?"

I sat for a moment in shocked silence. I had trouble finding words. I mean, come on, I've homeschooled for 18 years!  Are you kidding me?  "No, I’m going to homeschool him. Why would you think I would send him to school?"  

"Well, you know it will be different this time. He won’t have any siblings to socialize with. It’s really important that he learn how to function in the real world and he might not get that if he’s homeschooling all alone." 

I'm feeling a bit like I've been sucker punched. I can’t believe I’m having this conversation. My hubby is sitting a seat away, talking sports with her husband, blissfully unaware of my growing frustration.  Are you serious?  Do I really have to explain to you that school isn’t supposed to be about socialization? Do I really need to tell you that I’m not a big fan of the peer pressure bullying age segregation socialization kids get in school? And why are we even having this conversation?

Just shoot me now, okay?


Honestly, I can’t even remember how the conversation ended. I do know I chickened out and didn’t say all the things I promised myself I would say if I ever had this conversation again. I allowed my own well-ingrained social skills (I didn’t learn them in school, by the way) to win out over my gut level response. I chose not to offend my friend with the truth.

 

But, it’s so incredibly irritating to me that we’re still fighting this battle. Are people blind? I observe the anti-social behavior so prevalent in our youth (even our Christian youth), and wonder if this is the real world education so many think homeschooled kids are so desperately in need of. I’m convinced that there is a "head-in-the-sand" element that contributes heavily to the inability of homeschool critics to address this issue objectively.

 

This lack of objectivity was clearly demonstrated recently by my nephew. He teaches in a self-contained special education (behavior disorders) classroom in a public highschool. He is not a stranger to homeschooling…after all, he knows my kids and me! In his class of fifteen behaviorally challenged kids, my nephew has two students who, as he put it, are "the product of homeschooling".

"They’re in my class because they were homeschooled. They obviously never learned how to function outside of their own homes and when they had to be put in school, the only placement that worked for them was in my class. Their parents really screwed them up. I would never homeschool my kids…it’s just too risky."

My nephew couldn’t see the forest for the trees. I shouldn’t have had to point out that there were 13 kids in his class who were not homeschooled.  I shouldn’t have had to remind him that if you follow his line of reasoning, it is the public school that bears the blame for the behavior problems of 87% of the kids in his class. It should have been clear to him that his logic was flawed.

 

But again and again, I have had this conversation with people who have checked logic and objectivity at the door. They criticize the homeschooler’s lack of socialization without thinking through what that socialization actually looks like. I guess if they admit that school-based socialization is NOT always a good thing, they open themselves up to a myriad of soul-searching questions. So rather than open that door, they close the door on the truth, stick their heads in the sand, and try to pretend that it’s the other guy who isn’t seeing things clearly.

 

Maybe someday they will open their eyes and brush away the sand.  But until then, I guess I’ll just keep answering the question that frustrates me more than any other:

 

"But what about socialization?"

 

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18 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by CrossView
Aargh! I hear you!

I can't tell you how many times I've gotten compliments on my kids only to have the same people turn around and talk about how bad homeschooling is.
"Well, there was that one family..."

And, of course, I mention all the kids with problems that go to public school in the area. That's different, somehow.... *sigh

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18 September 2008 - heather @ http://untraditionalhome.com

Posted by Anonymous
Oh yes, especially the teachers (my family are all teachers and my goodness.) They always make the exception for me since I am trained as a teacher even though I don't do ANYTHING the way I did when I WAS teaching. Arguing doesn't make much different in those with minds set (like my dad and step mom) though my mom did come around.
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18 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
See, I too have gotten great compliments on my boys' "public" behavior, but when I use this opportunity to boast that we homeschool-it's like the walls come down & they start criticizing. I think it's like you said "head-in-the-sand".

It's shocking though, coming from a former homeschooler!
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18 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
See, I too have gotten great compliments on my boys' "public" behavior, but when I use this opportunity to boast that we homeschool-it's like the walls come down & they start criticizing. I think it's like you said "head-in-the-sand".

It's shocking though, coming from a former homeschooler!

Nikowa
knowledgehouseacademy.com
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18 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous
Great post. But I don't think that conversation ever really ends. The public school is so "normal." Because it is the status quo, most just assume it is right or best or something. This isn't at all meant to belittle those who are truly concerned, but I think most people who object to homeschooling have just never thought that much about the real issues behind educating a child or are so convinced that they couldn't do it, they project that on all of us.

Dana
http://principleddiscovery.com
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18 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Arby
"[Homeschoolers] are willing to render unto Caesar the things that Caesar’s be, but they draw the line at their children. Those of us who have put our trust in the secular state (and effectively surrendered our children to it) recognize this act of defiance as a rejection of our values, and we reject them in return."

- Sonny Scott

"The better part of valour is discretion" - Falstaff

What did you expect, welcome? Make yourself at home? Teach my children? You’ve got to remember that these are simple folk. These are people of the land, the common clay of the Midwest. You know, morons!
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29 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by brownie
Hi!
I can't believe you were asked that question either! It's dumbfounding.

Thanks for coming by my page and for the encouragement regarding the blogging :)

We still might get the kids... I just don't know what the SW will do. I will say that this particular SW is smart and I respect her professionally - she's got a good poker face though and I don't know what she'll decide.

along that line.... I've had people ask me that if I get them will I homeschool them? I say - good grief! Let me get them in my family first! I'm asked if I'll homeschool Red. I sort of side stepped that by saying I have a couple of years to decide. Poor little Tub is in headstart right now and he's only three... I'd love to get my hands on him and pull him out! Poor babe.
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29 September 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Arby
I think you should lead the effort to spread my post as far and wide as the earth is round! Unite against Wal*Mart!
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8 October 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by MitchTyRyanAndJames
Uggh...I'm tired of that conversation already and I've only got one of my munchkins old enough for school yet. A few weeks ago, someone asked if we planned to homeschool all the way through, or if we'd send him to public school eventually...as always, I told her I'd love to keep him home throughout, but we've always agreed to take it year by year and keep him home as long as it's working for us. She then informed me first that there was NO way that we'd be able to manage homeschooling all three of them at once (WHAT?) and then that the best thing for us to do would be to send him for 7th and 8th grade, because otherwise, it would be too hard to adjust to the large number of students in high school and college. Again, what? We have one middle school that feeds into our high school, so the size of the class as a whole doesn't change anywhere in there...and if we were to decide to send him to school, age 13 definitely wouldn't be the time that I'D think would be the best to do so! She then went on to tell me all about her son, a junior in high school, and all the trouble he's had the last few years, "even though he's always been in school."
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13 October 2008 - Excellent

Posted by bringirl
I stumbled across your blog from Heather Young. She is on Twitter and so am I. Anyway, I am REALLY enjoying your blog posts about homeschooling. I am a mom of two boys. One is 3 1/2 and one is 3 months old. I feel so strongly to homeschool them and that's what our plan is! I'm so excited. I know this is something God wants for our family. This post about the socialization thing is dead on. I have so many people (family included) who ask me about this. I need to direct them to your blog! :) Thanks for being an encouraging voice for all of us homeschoolers and soon-to-be homeschoolers. God bless!
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13 October 2008 - Oops!

Posted by Anonymous
I was caught off guard the first time I got the question. My eyes blinked rapidly, my jaw dropped, and I blurted, "What, like learn to say, s***, d***, and f***?" Thankfully, I've polished my vocabulary over the years and no longer drop that kind of bombshell on people.

Seriously, the public school was planning to take a week to study each letter of the alphabet and teach my son about things that started with that letter. Meanwhile, at home he was questioning me about dominant and recessive genes.

*snicker*

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